Velhart said:

I asked the same question in the topic "fix the elf?"; I never allowed to draw additional Spells over Craft limit and then discard one Spell of choice you don't want to keep, but I don't see anything in the rules that hinder this. It might be a way to rid yourself of a Spell you're stuck with: try to acquire many Spells until you pass the limit, then discard a Spell you don't want to keep anymore. You do the same when you have to discard exceeding Spells because you don't have the Craft to keep them all.

I prefer to restrain Spell casting than Spell discarding. I really don't like Spells cast for spellcasting's sake, such as Healing on a full health Character, Healing on an opponent Character (legal, but stupid!), or Counterspell on your own Spells.

Hi

First sorry for my bad english, i am out from school 26 Years ago.

The answer, you can find in the german rulebook.

- It is not allowed to gain spells over your craft limit (3craft -1spell , 4craft - 2spells , 6craft or more 3spells)

and there is also a sentence in the rulebook

-You cant discharge spells - the best way to loose spells is to do them.

Black Templar said:

Hi

then the German Rulebook is clearer than the original one. I believe you refer to this part of Rulebook, at page 13 (perhaps you can download the english manual and compare):

The number of Spells that any character can have at one time is limited by the character’s Craft as follows:
Total Craft 1 2 3 4 5 6+
Maximum Number of Spells 0 0 1 2 2 3

Second sentence is:

The only other way to get rid of a Spell is to cast it!

Can you post the sentences in German language? I assume your translation is correct, but I can speak German and I'm curious to see how these passages have been translated.

I have read carefully the instructions about spell cards.

And it seems that you can always gain a spell card if you have at least enough craft to permit this.

So, if you craft total is 3, then you may hold 1 spell card.

If you gain a spell and you take one from the deck, and you have only enough craft for 1 spell card and you have one already, then you can choose wich one you want to discard.

So this is another methode to get rid of your spells. The only other choice to get rid of it, is to cast it, or maybe on the cursed glade if your craft is dropping down and you have to much spell cards.

HI

The important german text for spells

Hat ein Spieler mehr Zaubersprüche, als seine Talentpunkte ihm erlauben, muss er sofort so viele Zauber seiner Wahl ablegen, das er das Maximum wieder einhält. Er darf in diesem Moment keinen Zauberspruch aussprechen, um seinem Zaubersrpuch-Maximum auf diese weise zu genügen, Zaubersprüche dürfen nicht einfach abgelegt werden, solange man das Maximum nicht übersteigt - die beste Methode, sie los zu werden, ist es, sie im Verlauf der Spiels auszusprechen!

Heheh the german rulebook is not really clearer . Most time, if i get a game which first get out in english i will look into english Rulebooks, the persons who will translated the rules from english into german made many mistakes. Change only one little word or letter you will get anohter meaning.

Best Examle , the monk and priest card in Talisman

Wenn du nach dem Beten würfelst, darfst du1 zum Ergebnis addieren. < --- Wrong

Black Templar said:

This is the same reason why I always buy games in original language, if I understand it. It is not only because of mistakes, but also because most fantasy flavour text becomes bland and uninspiring after a bad Italian translation.

The text you quoted is exactly the one that made me think that Spell gaining is always possible, provided you don't keep Spells over the maximum, according to your current Craft. German text is not clearer, because he says a Player must immediately discard Spells in excess. " Zauber seiner Wahl" (Spells of his choice), not "Zauber, die er bereits erhalten hat" (Spells he's just gained).

The rulebook never says you can't gain Spells over the maximum allowed by your Craft. It states you must discard Spells (of your choice) if you have more. Since there's no contradiction in German rulebook, it is a correct translation of the original.

I agreed with Librarycharlie about the Genie.

The Genie is the owner of his own spells and you can tell him anytime to use one of his spells or all of them.

It don't effect the limit of spell casting because it is not your own spells.

You must only treat the spells as if you have cast them in the normal way ( but that means not that it belong to your own casting limit.

So a troll can tell the genie to cast a spell At least he is smart enough to tell him that LOL

I think that this is the meaning of the genie !