If you have pale steel on a Maester, and kneel the maester to trigger pale steel link to put another chain into play on the same maester. Is it true that you can then trigger the new chain you just put into play because the framework is still in the same window in which you can respond to the character kneeling?

Any advice would help. I didn't think it worked that way because the character is already knelt when the chain enters play, but The Kingg tells me otherwise.

This is true, and yes it is awesome.

My Opinion:

You cannot do this. The "Do X" cost of the new chain you just brought into play and put onto the same maester cannot be satisfied since the maester is already kneeling. And because the "Do X" was not satisfied then the "to Do Y" may not be executed.

EDIT: I replied without looking at all the different chain types so I am changing my answer slightly. So long as the new chain meets the Pale Steel Link criteria (printed cost of 1 or less) AND the new chain's Response is worded as "After attached character kneels..." then less, I believe that the new chain is allowed to be used off of the original Kneel of the character via a second trip through Step 5 of the action window.

Correct. As noted, look at the effect of the chain.

If it is one of the chains that responds to the attached character being knelt, it works. If it is one of the chains that kneels the attached character as a cost, it doesn't. It's really no different than the fact that kneeling the character once only pays for one "Any Phase" effect, but can allow as many "Response" effects as there are available.

ktom said:

OMG I GOT A RULING CORRECT!!!!

/popsthebubbly!

I have another chain related discussion going Here, and would appreciate input.

Basically thinking about the "mad hax" potential of the Steel Link and King Robert's Hammer. It would be crazy good to be able to kneel to trigger an effect, then use the hammer to stand the character, THEN trigger the Steel Link to stand the hammer, but I'm pretty sure that isn't legal.

Still, I have it worked out that I can hit the draw cap/mill opponents deck/get a lot of extra gold by triggering it each phase. You wind up with the hammer knelt most of the time, but you'll still get one use off it during challenges.

The game changes with more characters with Steel Links attached. Probably my new favorite card interactions.

Let me know what you guys think!

I must play in the only Meta where no one has ever build or played a Maester deck.

Archrono said:

From your linked thread:

• I trigger the Gold Link to get 2 gold, then use King Robert's Hammer to stand the maester. Can I then trigger the response off the Steel Link to stand the hammer? My thinking is the maester "was" knelt so the response is still valid? My gut says no because the hammer is Any Phase, not a response, so I'm not sure when it can be triggered. But I'd like to know for sure.

If I understand your question correctly, you want to know if you can use the Hammer in the middle of the Response window opened by your Gold Link to use a link you haven't triggered yet to stand the Hammer back up.

I'm trying to get better at this, so I'm going to venture an answer. I am completely prepared for ktom to come along and tell me I'm wrong, but I'm doing it anyway. :-)

I say no. The rules refer to "'Any Phase' actions." One action (the Any Phase action on Gold link, in this instance) must fully resolve before another can be initiated. Thus, the Response window opened by kneeling the Maester for the Gold Link will have closed before you could initiate the separate Any Phase action on the Hammer to stand that Maester back up.

That said, I see no reason you couldn't kneel the Maester again to use another "Kneel attached character…" action and then trigger your Steel Link's Response to stand the Hammer. Once that action fully resolves, you can kneel the Hammer again as yet another action to stand the Maester yet again so that you can use yet another "Kneel attached character…" action. At that point, though, you'd have used your once per phase Steel Link effect. Still, if you had some other way to stand one of the two, you could conceivably trigger all four of the "Kneel attached character…" chains in one phase.

How'd I do, ktom?

I'm not sure what you are trying to do earlier. I read your plan (kneel Maester, stand Maester with Hammer, trigger Steel Link in response to kneeling the Maester you just used the Hammer on to stand Hammer) the same way Amuk does and he is right - since the Hammer is an "Any Phase" effect, it cannot be used to stand the Maester until all responses to kneeling it have been played. You will have to kneel the Maester a second time in order to stand the Hammer. So if I am reading your original post correctly, Amuk is correct - you need to kneel the Maester after the Hammer stands him in order to use Steel Link to stand the Hammer.

But you are correct that, with multiple ways to kneel Maesters and multiple Steel Links, you can string together the actions you need to keep the Maester standing with the location.

ktom said:

Yeah I figured as much. By going through this whole exercise I've learned my new favorite card interaction and combo though!
Because all the chains are limit once per phase, an easy way to almost max your draw and get extra (sometimes more then triple!) gold is:

1) Attach the Gold, Steel, and Valaryian Steel link to a Maester.

2) Get King Robert's Hammer out.

3) Starting any phase (probably Dominance or Stand) Kneel maester to trigger the draw, then use the hammer to stand him. Repeat during plot phase and use the response off the steel link to stand the hammer.

4) Trigger the Gold link during draw phase, repeating the process.

5) Profit!

A similar technique can be used with the inn of the kneeling man (if it is summer or winter.)

I know its kind of straight forward, but I never thought of it before! Makes Maesters even more at the top of decks I enjoy playing! Not to mention with the rarity (or how delicate) the seasons are, its not hard to set up and defend. I wonder how useful it would be in a non-maester heavy deck… (I usually run almost all the neutrals plus dupes Lomys and Pylos and maester of war.) Seems like a pretty powerful 2 piece (if you're running the agenda that is) combo.