Geneseed sources: number crunching.

By Lightbringer, in Deathwatch

Pyrus said:

Regarding the lack of successors, I know for the earlier foundings that it would make sense to look at the near-annihilation of the chapter at the Massacre. For a very long time the Salamanders were sidelined while they recovered their numbers. I would go so far as to say that this massive rebuild depleted the "reserve" geneseed that the successor chapters were drawn from. It may be that the Salamanders have few, if any, successors due to the simple lack of surplus geneseed. Not to say that the chapter is at the edge of collapse, but I'd imagine that there would need to be a certain level of overstock before spawning a new chapter would even be considered. A wild guess on my part... they may even have a bit of an institutional paranoia about having enough geneseed hidden away to rebuild if something like the Massacre ever happened again. This could easily translate into an unwillingness to part with any more than the Mechanicus tithing requires.

And that would have a knock-on effect. There are supplies of Ultra Helix geneseed coming in from over five hundred Chapters during any given tithing cycle... which means that there's a large stock of that geneseed. Having produced few successors, the Salamanders geneseed thus exists in relatively few places and thus only makes up a tiny proportion of the geneseed tithe... as time goes on, the relative proportion of Salamanders geneseed to Ultramarines geneseed (to continue the example) doesn't change, so there's never going to be very much Salamanders geneseed available.

Regarding the 'planned' roles for the Primarchs... at the outset, I could buy into that. However, you'd have to then assume that the Emperor could have taken into account the scattering of the Primarchs and their exposure to the random cultures, all of which went a long way towards influencing their behavior and thinking. Perhaps he did... who knows? *ominous, overly dramatic music*

Of course, we are all assuming (wildly and incorrectly, it would seem) that what we think we know about the Heresy is even remotely correct....and the official GW stance is that that ain't the case....so, it would seem, if we want to 'know' the events of the Crusade/Heresy, we might want to start from the premise that all we know is, in fact, a lie....

So, where does that bring us? Emperor was working to preserve and uplift humanity? Nope!! Tyrant!!!!

Emperor wanted to enlighten humanity and usher in a new age of science and knowledge? Nope!! Tyrant again! He wanted slaves to worship him and fuel his apotheosis.

Horus corrupted? Nope!! Horus saw the madness of the 'Emperor's' plan and took steps to thwart it.

The saints and heroes of a society are often its most monstrous vectors...they just got good press agents. And the emperor and his primarchs have 10,000 years of good press backing up their 'saintly' reputations...

Just some food for thought... (based, I should say, on a short story featuring the Emperor written by one of the veterans...a story in which the big golden boy was, clearly, a megalomaniacal tyrant who brooked no interference in his own personal ambitions, no matter how pathetic or ineffectual the source - and I cite this bit of 'canon' as it's the only written work i've found featuring the big guy in person and in a realistic/honest light [i.e. not a fawning, worshipful light])

Wouldn't it be a laugh if the Emperor was all that he was said to be, the pinnacle of humanity with the good of all as his goal... but it is not the Emperor that is on the Golden Throne, and is in fact Horus? I wonder what sort of powers of illusion he may have had at his command, as there were, as far as I know, no witnesses to the duel that supposedly ended Horus and gravely wounded the Emperor.

Horus, vulnerable, surrounded by the Custodes... has to play the role of the protector of mankind. Stuck sustaining the thing he hates. Manipulating the Astronomicon to cause scattered Warp Storms, and work what mischief he can at his masters' bidding.

wow, I thought MY theories were out there... sorpresa.gif

HERETIC!!!!

(seriously, though, nice idear....i don't think that particular scenario had occurred to me yet, so thanx!! aplauso.gif I mean, yeah, there's Horus all mortally wounded, and who pops in but Dorn the goon and the custodial crew...sheesh! what's a demon-possessed madman with dreams of godhood to do? F@%k!!! And now he's a slave of the Imperium he sought to rip down! Geah!!)