Peacekeeper_b said:

I know they've been prolific, but I like the slaughth, even if I'm not a fan of the adventures they've appeared in. The race has good potential.

I'm just thinking the Slaught are a bit overpowered. The rod that came in DotDG and the Slaught Overseer. Essentially it is a one shot, one kill on just about anything except possibly a guardsman in power armor at max rank.

Solkim said:

Yeah its another one of those things that I'd like to use, but cant in its current form because it'll just TPK everyone and that wont be very much fun at all... heck just give me something which is pretty bitey and they can cope with after a fair struggle, if I want to kill someone, I'll add a 2nd!

A foe meant for Deathwatch?

Other weapons have shown a clip size of 1, but this has -, at first look I thought it had infinite shots.

Finally something to help bringing my players down to earth.. When did you say the book was going to be out Ross?

Amazon is obviously wrong. It lists the book for pre-order and has a ship date of 12/29/2008. I think we've gone beyond that date.

FFG website just gives us sometime in February.

I need a more defined time frame FFG....

Agamorr in 3, he'd have to smash it a few times.

It can't actually hurt him without getting a Righteous Fury.

I could be wrong in that it has some new Talents which may change that.

Luddite said:

While I agree that the amount of damage "per se" this thing can take is quiet high, I think the SB+3 / Wound 12 guy won´t be the opponent.
If the GM does not expect his cast of pc to be shreddered, they will be a little more high ranking, and the guy with the power sword might have it for a reason. I am talking about SB+4 and some extra-damage talents like the "crushing blow". After all, the combat hogs players know how to use gone opportunity (XP) to "build character"

The critter is more tough then it is deadly.

I first it was a pretty dangerous beasty, but now that I see it has the primitive trait on its attack, it is less intimidating. With Carapace Armour (AP 5) and T3 you soak 10 Points of Damage per attack (APx2-3PEN+T3) for an only 1D10 damage per attack, which can be devastating, but if you happen to have good Carapace Armour (AP6) and T4 all the sudden you are only taking 1D10-3 damage. Of course Brutal Charge, Berzerk Charge and Furious Assault add some potency on the round it charges, overall Id rather be hit by this thing then a S3 foe with Power Sword.

Course the TB10 and W30 and Iron Jaw make it a long term foe.

I say its more a matter of team work and strategy to beat this thing, but simple classic style RPG strategy. I.E. keep distance, hit it with ranged attacks, bottle neck it.

This critter will definitely show up in my games.

As for the book; will it be out next month or *shudders* March?

by the way....shouldn´t this thing have the Intimidate Skill? As far as I remember, creatures generated by the Xenos Generator could have one...or am I wrong?

Regarding thew slaughth:

slaughth are way overpowered, especially for what their appearance might suggest. I mean they look tough, but they are nigh on unkillable in a straight fight, but you can stack the odds in your players' favour as need be. There's something really compelling about the mix of apex predator and lowly parasite.

Regarding this thing:

Definitely has a bark worse than it's bite. It does nasty damage, but factoring in how often it hits, armour values, toughness etc, it's not that hardcore. It's horrendously hard to kill though.... like I said, an actual reason for melta guns to exist in this setting.

When I looked, it was listed for 25Feb09. Guess, we'll have to wait and see.

Gregorius21778 said:

Still i do like the thing. Certainly reminds me of the Quake Shamber.

As I pointed out in reply #20 in this thread, the full-page artwork was chosen for the preview monsters because I felt it would make the best impression.

In the book, full-page art is generally only one per chapter.

I'm happy with this preview because my character from Fenksworld was supposed to have a tattoo of a beast from the depths of the hive on him back so this works out perfectly

FFG Ross Watson said:

I see alot of this "its hard to kill" rubbish. For those of you who are players, relax; for you GM's, use your imagination. Here is where called shots come in. Give your players bonuses on certain things, perhapps if one decides to make a called shot to its eye. Blinding it would make a fun game of "be vewy quiet, I'm hunting pit things."

For these hard to kill beasties its always a matter of intellegent rollplaying, not combat bad-ass-ness.

I'd love to see more Slaugth in "Creatures" or any other book... yeah, they're a bit OP, but I've always been a fan of having Big Bads in campaigns that have a definite advantage over the players. Makes 'em actually think about what to do in order to come out on top instead of just the standard "shoot it 'til it stops twitching" strategy. Plus, more Slaugth means more stuff to put into my "Horrors of the Slaugth" mod for Dawn of War. *laughs*

I went ahead and preordered "Creatures" from Amazon since it's so hard to get new books 'round here... there's only one gaming shop in town, assuming that it hasn't closed down (which I think was rumored a year or two back), and it focuses more on D&D, comics, and Magic than anything. I don't even know if they sell Dark Heresy stuff there because I try not to shop there (since the guy who runs it basically ignores everyone who isn't in his little click.) Figured that the preorder would save me some trouble, and I certainly don't want to miss this book.

Don't know if you live in the States, but Barnes and Noble also carries the RPG book versions of the normal novels they sell in the sci-fi fantasy section. This includes Dark Heresy. I was pleasently surprised. Now I only have to shop at gaming stores for the more 'obscure' titles.