I have some idea and wanna make outskirts and i have idea which include monster similiar to frankenstein - and i need story for it.

Idea is next :

3 monster from cup make statistics of frankenstein, he have toughness from strongest + weakest monster (it can vary from 2-6 but it will usualy be 4-5)

he have nightmarish ability based on terror rating (if terror is 3 then its -1 if 5 then its -2 and if it's 8 then it -3)

he have overwhelming 1 ability (or overwhelming 2 if at least 2 drawn creatures have overwhelming)

his sanity dmg is from strongest monster

his combat rating from strongest monster

Anarin said:

Yes. Herbert west is the closest thing going. Also Frankenstein was the name of the doctor, the monsters name was Adam.

thanks very much, expecialy for the link.

We will do some playtesting and if it's good i'll give you all info

Sounds more like a chimera if it's a mash up of three other creatures..

Waitaminute, cultist + cultist + cultist = human centipede?? Truly a terrifying abomination, Dr West!

Anarin said:

:'D you're welcome (on behalf of all of us, so we don't have to spam you with welcomes, only if we want to).

Veet said:

I think you must be referring to the monster's words after reading 'Paradise Lost' and speaking to his creator: "I I ought to be thy Adam; but I am rather the fallen angel". He was never given a name in the novel. Herbert is the obvious choice here; the only other one who comes close is Dr. Muñoz from "Cool Air". Such a good story.

Mary Shelly actually referred to it as Adam outside of the novel.

No kidding? Do you mind if I ask where? I know of a letter she wrote to Leigh Hunt in which she approved of the "unnamable" quality of the monster as portrayed onstage.

Apparently at several readings of the book Mary was reported to have refered to the monster by that name. I've heard this from several sources including a forward in a copy of the book, my litterature profesor back in college told the story as well, I've managed to find references to it on both Wikapedia and TV tropes. Of course that's not to say that both our accounts can't be true, the story being fiction and the author being human it is her perogative to change her mind or even be inconsistent.

Veet said:

Personally, I'm of the Cult of Canon. The name is not used in the novel, therefore it's not legit. It doesn't matter what the author wanted to include or decided later she should have included.

A more modern equivalent case would be all the changes George Lucas has been making to the original Star Wars trilogy. Do you accept it as fact that Greedo shot first just because the author changed his mind 30 years later? I know I don't.

Steve-O said:

I don't accept that every three years a new *definitive* edition of Star Wars comes up, with new unreleased materials, 6 secs added that could change the meaning of the whole saga and similar stuff. Wouldn't it be better if he makes up his mind for starting the last trilogy? [here we go... completely OT again...]

I'm fascinated...can you tell me who wrote the foreword? I saw the entries on the sites you mention, but it seems they're not sourced. I'm afraid I'll have to discount them until I can verify them. I'd really love to see the report from the reading - was Shelley doing what she had done elsewhere, and using 'Adam' as a metaphorical shorthand for the monster's role - or was she actually using it as a name? I still suspect the former, particularly when you take into account the text of the novel and the letter to Hunt. I'd love to see the actual words, in context, that Shelley was supposed to have said.

...and as to any creative decision that Lucas has made since 1982: THBHBHTHLLLTTT!!!!!!!

In general, though, I have no problem when an artist reworks an idea. Shelley published two editions of 'Frankenstein', years apart. I prefer the original, but others don't. Tennyson was still fiddling with poems he'd first published in his teens when he died. Sometimes I like the changes, other times I don't: but it always tells you something interesting about the artist and the evolution of his ideas.

Zozimus said:

Although ROTJ wasn't released until 1983 I think the creative decisions about ewoks and the muppets in jabba's palace were made during or just before 1982, so perhaps set the date back until 1980 TESB - oh wait there was the Christmas special in 1978.

I think his creative decsions (with regard to Star Wars) up until 1977 were probably (mostly) OK.