Bay of Ice

By Alexander West, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

1) If a player wins initiative with two Bay of Ice in play, does he kneel both of them and draw 2 cards?

2) If a player does not own Bay of Ice, but wins initiative, does he tap Bay of Ice and get the card anyway?

Thanks!

1. No. He kneels both Bay of Ice and draws one card.

2. Yes, he does.

Thanks. Can you explain why it would only be one card? The wording on the card is weird, which is why I asked in the first place, but I don't understand the "legaleese".

Alexander West said:

Thanks. Can you explain why it would only be one card? The wording on the card is weird, which is why I asked in the first place, but I don't understand the "legaleese".

Look again at the text:

"After a player wins initiative, that player kneels all cards named Bay of Ice, then draws a card."

The initiative winner kneels all copies, then draws a card (singular). To draw multiple cards, he would need to trigger multiple Bays of Ice. But by the time he would get to trigger a second Bay of Ice, all copies are already knelt because the ability on the first copy resolved. Because he cannot kneel them again successfully, he won't be able to draw another card.

To put a little extra into that:

Each card in this game is resolved individually. You have to resolve the effects on them one at a time, with each one resolving completely before the next one initiates. So with multiple Bay of Ice cards, you do not say "there are 3 of them, so when I resolve the Bay of Ice effect, all 3 of them add together to draw 3 cards." Instead you say "I do Bay of Ice #1, then Bay of Ice #2, then Bay of Ice #3."

That's where Saturnine's explanation comes in. Because kneeling all copies of Bay of Ice is a requirement to draw just the 1 card, all three copies of Bay of Ice are knelt when you resolve Bay of Ice #1. Then when you go to resolve Bay of Ice #2 & #3, the cards are already knelt. Since you cannot meet the requirement of the text to draw cards #2 & #3, you don't get them. Ultimately, it's 1 card for all 3. The first copy resolves completely, the others fail to initiate properly because they are already kneeling from the first.