Good Stark drawing mechanism

By goldenhk, in 1. AGoT General Discussion

Hi guys,

I am looking for a good Stark drawing mechanism to put in my more event, cheap characters and attachment relied deck. The main purpose is to control and kill. I have considered Master Luwin in the new patch and combine with Galbart Glover. However, it seems a bit too complex as it requires two characters in play at the same time, and it only allows me to draw event cards. I also consider storm dancer but it doesn't seem to fit the siege agenda I am using, and it can be very slow if no one attacks you. Characters like black fish are too expensive and does not fit my tactic. Any suggestions?

Galbart Glover doesn't work with "search the top X cards of your deck," he only works with "search your deck" effects. Stark's search isn't the same as draw, but it thins out your deck and increases your hand size.

For draw in Stark consider the following:

The Blackfish

Guard at Riverrun

Bay of Ice

Samwell Tarly with Raven attachments and Carrion Birds

Val

" The Dreadfort" can also be a powerful tool, but requires a fairly well-bolton themed deck - probably not what you're looking for.

Stark's recent strength is in Search events, which can be quite effective. In the Maester set, see "Ser Brynden's Guile" "Rickon Stark" , "Galbart Glover", "Karhold Rookery".

Well i think it depends a lot on the deck you chose to play. - The cards already mentioned are good. But there´s also To be a wolf (super powerful with Rickon) and cards like wolfdreams or winterfell kennels. And i also like e.g. family, duty honor which is great with a lot of tully cards. If you have a serious tull y theme in your deck Ser Brynden´s guile is great too. Some Stark decks allow to run the knight of the realms agenda too. One of my latest builds is a knight of the realms deck with tullys and search cards like to be a wolf and it works just great. So what deck do you want to build exactly?

Stark Nmod kill

House (1)
House Stark (Core) x1


Agenda (1)
The Siege of Winterfell (LoW) x1


Character (31)
Arya Stark (Core) x3
Bolton Refugee (RoW) x3
Carrion Bird (ASoS) x3
Catelyn Stark (Core) x2
Eddard Stark (LoW) x2
Hodor (Core) x1
House Tully Septon (LoW) x2
Hungry Mob (CoS) x3
Qhorin Halfhand (LoW) x1
Ser Jorah Mormont (PotS) x1
Shaggydog (Core) x1
The Mad Mouse (MotA) x1
Vale Refugee (RoW) x2
Guard at Riverrun (LoW) x2
Robb Stark (Core) x1
Craster (WotN) x1
Old Nan (BoRF) x1
Jory Cassel (CtB) x1


Location (15)
Borderland Keep (TWH) x3
Frozen Moat (BtW) x2
Frozen Outpost (LoW) x2
Lord Eddard's Chambers (Core) x1
Narrow Sea (Core) x3
Northern Fiefdoms (Core) x3
Street of Steel (Core) x1


Event (10)
Distinct Mastery (Core) x3
Endless Endurance (LoW) x1
Guilty! (Core) x3
Kill for Your King! (TWot5K) x2
The Battle of the Whispering Wood (EB) x1


Attachment (7)
Court Advisor (PotS) x3
Seafarer's Bow (KotS) x2
Icy Catapult (TWot5K) x2


Plot (8)
Fury of the Wolf (AE) x1
Assault on King's Landing (KotStorm) x1
At the Gates (GotC) x1
Battle of Oxcross (PotS) x1
Loyalty Money Can Buy (QoD) x1
Siege of Riverrun (KotS) x1
The Songs of Bael the Bard (AKitN) x1
Wildfire Assault (Core) x1


So the main theme of the deck is to kill, with events, characters, attachments, and a special method of discarding through Carrion birds while adding the Raven trait to rivals, but at the same time try to defend with Edd Stark, Catelyn, even Arya and locations etc. The main concern of this deck is 1: whether it has enough drawing mechanism, and 2: seems to lack the edge to win, i.e., getting 4-5 powers at a time. The only thing I have thought of is combing The Mad Mouse with killings.

According to FAQ, carrion bird was errataed to affect only PRINTED Raven trait.

Well I guess Old Nan and The Songs of Bael the Bard can be taken out then.

A couple of thoughts...
If you use Siege and your focus is on M challenges i think you should use Storm of Swords, Mummer's Ford or Lucas Blackwood to give extra M challenges.
Kill for your King isn't as good as it first seems; in addition to the fact that you need to draw into it at the same time you want to play a MB, experience has shown me that it can't target a lot of the characters you wish you could kill with it. It has never worked particularly well for me; I tried using it a lot when I first started and I have given up on it and switched to more reliable Stark events like Lethal Counterattack.
Add another Guard at Riverrun; they are a very reliable draw mechanic in a Siege deck, and you're right to be worried about your draw. Stasis mentioned Val; she is also a good choice for Stark draw if you can keep her alive. Consider adding Grey Wind attachment to chomp little characters. Choosing a 1 STR charcter when Mad Mouse comes into play and then eating it with Grey Wind guarantees the power on MM. I also think you should use Retaliation! in almost every deck mainly b/c I think it is one of the top four plots in the game.

Lethal Counterattack is a really good card, but my point of using Kill for your King is to hope for a more precise killing. In fact, I am having 3 to 4 plot cards with military battle which shoulde be all right. As for val, I did hear rumors that she is very powerful, but how should I modify my deck to use her? I don't really have a clue here.

Val - Any Phase: Reveal and draw the top card of your deck. Play that card as your next response or action, if able. Otherwise, discard it.

You wouldn't need to change up your deck very much, but you may want to cut down the events just a bit to avoid discarding them off Val (though it wouldn't matter much for Endless Endurance). You have a lot of low cost characters, so you can play one or two important cards from your hand during Marshalling, then start to trigger Val. Any card you draw off of Val you are required to play if you can; you don't get a choice to discard it if it is possible to play it, but if you have even 1 gold left when you start using her you could draw into and play at least 20 of the cards from your deck list, not even counting the dupes you might draw into. She can really help you get cards onto the table to pressure your opponent. You would have to take out Fury, since both are restricted cards; you may not be amenable to that since it is part of your kill theme, but remember that it only targets two Houses and you can use Song of Summer if you want a plot with similar stats.

So i will just add some thoughts about the cards.

House (1)
House Stark (Core) x1


Agenda (1)
The Siege of Winterfell (LoW) x1


Character (31)
Arya Stark (Core) x3

-> i would drop her x2, the stealing ability is good, but that doesn´t justify playing her x3, maybe the shadow version of Arya (city of secrets) is better, i like that she comes back from valar morghulis, wilfire assault etc.


Bolton Refugee (RoW) x3


Carrion Bird (ASoS) x3

-> with the errata of the birds 2 should be enough


Catelyn Stark (Core) x2

-> i like the one from the Stark expansion better, and i usually play unique charachters only x1, but if you want to keep duplicates i woudl recommend to use widow´s watch (gates of the citadel) to fidn teh duplicates, which would also help with draw


Eddard Stark (LoW) x2

-> see above


Hodor (Core) x1


House Tully Septon (LoW) x2

-> okay, but not the best option in my book, my usual Stark intrigue package includes e.g. Reek , Osha, Sansa Stark. Maester Vyman, Maester Luwin, especially Luwin helps you since he can search your deck for events, so he´s a must in my opinion


Hungry Mob (CoS) x3


Qhorin Halfhand (LoW) x1

Ser Jorah Mormont (PotS) x1
Shaggydog (Core) x1
The Mad Mouse (MotA) x1


Vale Refugee (RoW) x2

-> i don´t think you need that kind of cannon fodder here, also too many refugees are risky if you meet a deck that is playing dissension

Guard at Riverrun (LoW) x2

-> definetely x3


Robb Stark (Core) x1

-> if you play lot of matchups against Martell and Targaryen i think a 3 strength version would be the better choice (Venomous blade and burn hurts), also you may want to run Jeyne Westerling and she can find her king as well as e.g. Riders of the red fork

Craster (WotN) x1

-> okay, but maybe another charahcter is more needed


Old Nan (BoRF) x1

-> i would definetely keep her even with the errata of the ravens

Jory Cassel (CtB) x1

-> i still think running The Blackfish is an option, since you want to win a lot of military challenges, he´s the drawing machine for you even at 4 gold

-> i´m missing Syrio Forel in the deck, a lot of players using this agenda include him x2 (sometimes x3) and epic battle events to create additional military challenges


Location (15)
Borderland Keep (TWH) x3

-> i´m not a fan of this one, the use of it seems to be to limited

Frozen Moat (BtW) x2
Frozen Outpost (LoW) x2
Lord Eddard's Chambers (Core) x1
Narrow Sea (Core) x3
Northern Fiefdoms (Core) x3
Street of Steel (Core) x1

-> like i wrote above widow´s watch is an option here, if you like to add a direwolf package to the deck winterfell kennels could help with draw too, if you liketo play a little bit risky gates of winterfell is another option


Event (10)
Distinct Mastery (Core) x3

-> to be a wolf x3 is better


Endless Endurance (LoW) x1


Guilty! (Core) x3

Kill for Your King! (TWot5K) x2

-> i´m not a fan of the two evenst above i would rather play some more epic battle events, they help you to win faster


The Battle of the Whispering Wood (EB) x1


Attachment (7)
Court Advisor (PotS) x3


Seafarer's Bow (KotS) x2

-> i would replace it with frozen solid x2

Icy Catapult (TWot5K) x2


Plot (8)
Fury of the Wolf (AE) x1
Assault on King's Landing (KotStorm) x1
At the Gates (GotC) x1
Battle of Oxcross (PotS) x1
Loyalty Money Can Buy (QoD) x1
Siege of Riverrun (KotS) x1
The Songs of Bael the Bard (AKitN) x1
Wildfire Assault

-> well obviously one plot too much, the song bael the bard is like you wrote now obsolete, also i woudl replace battle of oxcross with either storm of swords or at th emummer´s ford (which help you to claim power) and maybe find another room for counting favors. It´s not the best plot since it also helps your opponent, but if you are in desperate need of additional cards it could be helpful, also it´s okay if your opponent has reached the draw cap anyway.

Well, i just remembered i build such a deck some time ago, so i´ve tried to do a quick update on the deck - of course no guarantee that the untested and quickly modified deck works, it´s however an alternative appproach to the one you build:


House Card (1)
House Stark Core Set 1

Agendas (1)
The Siege of Winterfell Lords of Winter 1

Plots (7)

Dry Season Called by the Conclave 1
Forgotten Plans Kings of the Storm 1
After the Mummer's Ford Kings of the Sea 1
Blockade Core Set 1
Counting Favors Core Set 1
Retaliation! A Song of Silence 1
At the Gates Gates of the Citadel 1

Characters (32)

Hodor Core Set 1
Wolf Pack Lords of Winter 2
Carrion Bird The Winds of Winter 2
Osha A King in the North 1
Maester Luwin Forging the Chain 1
Riders of the Red Fork Forging the Chain 1
Direwolf Pup Core Set 2
Guard at Riverrun Lords of Winter 3
Bolton Refugee Refugees of War 3
Ser Jorah Mormont Princes of the Sun 1
The Blackfish Lords of Winter 1
Arya Stark City of Secrets 1
Guardian Wolf The Isle of Ravens 1
Hungry Mob City of Secrets 2
Sansa Stark Tales from the Red Keep 1
Reek Mountains of the Moon 1
Syrio Forel Tales from the Red Keep 2
Feral Pack Sacred Bonds 1
Varys Secrets and Spies 1
Lucas Blackwood Gates of the Citadel 1
Catelyn Stark Lords of Winter 1
Ghost The Wildling Horde 1
Eddard Stark Core Set 1


Events (10)


Parting Blow Princes of the Sun 3
Direct Assault Kings of the Storm 1
The Battle of the Whispering Wood Epic Battles 3
Wolf Dreams Lords of Winter 2
Battle of Ruby Ford Battle of Ruby Ford 1


Locations (12)


Narrow Sea Kings of the Storm 3
Winterfell Kennels Core Set 2
Lord Eddard's Chambers Lords of Winter 1
River Row Queen of the Dragons 1
Great Keep Lords of Winter 3
Northern Fiefdoms Lords of Winter 1
Street of Steel Lords of Winter 1


Attachments (6)


Grey Wind Lords of Winter 1
Shaggydog Lords of Winter 1
Nymeria Core Set 1
Frozen Solid Lords of Winter 3

61st card is Val as the restriced card.