Scenario: I have a unique maester, with a dupe, and six chains as my only character. My opponent plays Marched to the Wall (discard a character, cannot be saved).
What order do I put the cards into my discard pile? Or does FP decide?
Scenario: I have a unique maester, with a dupe, and six chains as my only character. My opponent plays Marched to the Wall (discard a character, cannot be saved).
What order do I put the cards into my discard pile? Or does FP decide?
You can put them in any order you like.
Saturnine said:
You can put them in any order you like.
The person whose cards were discarded chooses? Why not the first player - doesn't FP decide all simultaneous occurrences?
jmccarthy said:
doesn't FP decide all simultaneous occurrences?
That's for conflicting effects. That has nothing to do with your cards. When cards leave play simultaneously, it is the prerogative of the controller to decide in which order he wants to place them in the discard pile. Once placed, however, you cannot change the order.
can i find it in FAQ?
db123456 said:
"If two or more passive abilities are initiated at the same moment, they are resolved in the order determined by the First Player."
So if it isn't two or more passive abilities initiating at the same moment, the First Player doesn't get to decide anything. Take, for example, the resolution of something like Valar, or a 2-claim military challenge. The characters die at the same time, but the First Player doesn't get to decide the order in which you can save characters or in which the killed characters enter moribund. Or take Summoning Season. The two characters searched, revealed, and put into hand by the two different players are technically a "simultaneous occurrence," but the First Player does not get to determine who searches/reveals first. The person who revealed the plot must go first. Similarly, it is not up to the First Player to decide who chooses and kneels their character first when Game of Cyvassse is played; the person who played the event must choose and kneel first. Or what about when you draw 2 cards - at the same time - during the Draw Phase? The First Player doesn't decide the order in which you put those cards in your hand.
So you see, the First Player only gets to choose the order of conflicting passive abilities. They do not get to impose their own order on anything that happens at the "same time," whether it matters or not.
Placing your cards in the discard pile is not a passive ability. It is basic "clean up" in Step 6 of the actions window. Since it is not a passive ability, there is no basis for the First Player to get to set the order of everyone's discard pile.
If the common sense argument and analysis is not good enough, you can find it in the FAQ by its absence:
"6) Action is resolved (end of action)
The action window is now complete, and all cards that were Moribund now physically leave play by whatever effect that caused them to do so (either being killed, discarded, or returned to their owner's hand). All attachments and duplicates on Moribund characters are placed in the discard pile. All response opportunities are now closed."
When the First Player has a special privilege by the rules, it is always stated. The fact that the instructions for ending the action window and placing all moribund cards in their respective out-of-play areas does NOT specify that the First Player gets to decide the order in which they go, there is again no basis to assume the First Player gets to do so.
when the event cards place in discard pile or dead pile? step2?step5? or just finish its ability? not in end of action with other non-event cards?
"Moribund State For Events
When an event card is played during steps 1, 2, or 5 of an action window, it enters a moribund state and is only actually moved to the discard or dead pile in step 6 of the action window in which it is played."
So yes, at the end of the action window with all the other non-event cards.
The only things that go to the discard pile before Step 6 of the action window are things discarded directly from your hand or deck. (And before anyone asks, no the First Player does not get to decide which order the cards discarded during a 2-claim intrigue challenge or a "discard the top 4 cards of your deck" kind of effect go to the discard pile because they are not conflicting passive abilities.)