When the new CP is available in the shop I thought that we would know exactly what is in it? Is not that part of the LCG policy? Knowing what cards you buy.

I can see now the new CP in the store but except some spanish spoiler in Rules Discusion, I dont know what is in there. Where is the missing piece? I thought that FFG should always announce the content of a CP before releasing it. But all what the official board shows are 3 cards of 20.

I agree. I want to know before what is inside a CP, so I can decide if I want to buy it or how many boxes to buy. Hope FFG will hear your point. Wish they were posting spoilers for CP's something like cards are posted on the tzumainn.com website, with its text and art.

I don´t see it as a "must" to release the full content of a card set before it´s street date, but i must admit that i always found it strange that the full contents of a CCG/ LCG product can´t be found on the publishers (FFG´s) homepage. Especially since it seems to be part of the marketing programm of other publishers which are also selling collectable card products to do so.

Anyway it would be nice to have some offficial content lists for the chapter packs, a lot of newcomers are also repeatedly asking what can be found in the chapter packs.

Just to make this issue more important for FFG I also say: Please publish the content of the CPs on the website!

Well, maybe one of us who bought new CPs could publish the contents in the forum, at least it would be a great help to know, which cards are singles and which ones I get three times in a CP. A information I am missing on tzumainn.

I also would like to know whats in it once it releases.

I would also like a chekclist of all the other cards in other CPs and the COre Set to show up on the support page. FFG should really provide this inof and the only reason it hasn't been a bigger issue for me is the effort of JersulemJones and Tzumain who make this info (either through spoilers when opening packs or hosting the info after spoiled) accessible.

Since I'm opening my pack now I may as well write up what's in it:

Singles:

The Raven's Song

Plot, 4 / 1 / 1

Raven. Any effect that would make it Summer or Winter is considered inactive while The Raven's Song is revealed.

Desolate Passage

Plot, 4 / 3 / 1

Each player cannot declare more than one attacker of defender in each challenge.

Dawn

2G, Unique Attachment, Item, Weapon, House Dayne character only

If attached character is Ser Arthur Dayne, he gets +5 STR

Challenges: If attached character is participating in a challenge in which an opponent has more participating characters than you, kneel Dawn to choose and kill a participating character.

The Tower of Joy

2G, Unique Location, Westeros

Response: After you win a challenge with fewer participating characters than your opponent, kneel The Tower of Joy to choose and kill a character controlled by the losing opponent.

Heart of the Kingdom

2G, Unique Location, King's Landing, Kingdom

Challenges: Kneel a Kingdom location to choose a participating character. Until the end of the phase, that character gets +1 STR.

Vale Rookery

1G, Location, House Arryn

Response: After an opponent wins dominance, discard Vale Rookery from play (cannot be saved) and pay 1 gold to reveal a new plot card.

Grand Maester Pycelle

3G, Unique Character, Ally, Maester, Lannister

2STR, I, P

Limited Response: After Grand Maester Pycelle is killed in the challenges phase, return all of your used plots to your plot deck. (Limit 1 Limited Response per round.)

Renly Baratheon

3G, Unique Character, Lord, King, Baratheon

4STR, I, P

Renown. If Renly Baratheon is the only King in play, he gains: "After you win a power challenge and there is still at least 1 Power Struggle plot card revealed, draw a card."

Kraznys mo Nakloz

3G, Unique Character, Ally, Mercenary, Targaryen

3STR, I, P

Challenges: If it is Summer, choose an opponent's attachment in play. Pay that attachment's printed gold cost to take control of that attachment, and attach it to a card of your choice.

Samwell Tarly

1G, Night's Watch

1STR

No attachments. Response: After a Raven card is played, draw 2 cards.

Play sets:

Rookery of Sunspear

1G, Location, Dorne, Martell

House Martell only. Response: After you win an intrigue challenge by 4 or more total STR, kneel and discard Rookery of Sunspear from play (cannot be saved) and pay 1 gold to reveal a new plot card.

Qartheen Rookery

1G, Location, The East, Targaryen

House Targaryen only. Response: After you win a power challenge by 4 or more total STR, kneel and discard Qartheen Rookery from play (cannot be saved) an pay 1 gold to reveal a new plot card.

Island Rookery

1G, Location, Iron Islands, Greyjoy

House Greyjoy only. Response: After you win a military challenge by 4 or more total STR, kneel and discard Island Sunspear from play (cannot be saved) and pay 1 gold to reveal a new plot.

Dragonstone Rookery

1G, Location, Dragonstone, Baratheon

House Baratheon only. Response: After an opponent wins a military challenge against you, kneel and discard Dragonstone Rookery from play (cannot be saved) and pay 1 gold to reveal a new plot.

Lannisport Rookery

1G, Location, Lannisport, Lannister

House Lannister only. Response: After an opponent wins an intrigue challenge against you, kneel and discard Lannisport Rookery from play (cannot be saved) and pay 1 gold to reveal a new plot.

Winterfell Rookery

1G, Location, Winterfell, Stark

House Stark only. Response: After an opponent wins an military challenge against you, kneel and discard Winterfell Rookery from play (cannot be saved) and pay 1 gold to reveal a new plot.

At the Point of a Blade

Event

Limited Response: After you reveal a Military Battle plot card, kneel a character with a military icon to kneel all characters with a power icon. (Limit 1 Limited Response per round.)

The Raven's Message

Event

Limited Response: After you reveal a Power Struggle plot card, kneel a character with a power icon to kneel all characters with an intrigue icon. (Limit 1 Limited Response per round.)

Fights No Sword Can Win

Event

Limited Response: After you reveal an Intrigue Gambit plot card, kneel a character with an intrigue icon to kneel all characters with a military icon. (Limit 1 Limited Response per round.)

Northern Scavengers

2G, Character, Traitor, Stark

3STR, M, P

House Stark only. After you play Northern Scavengers from your hand, choose a player with either a Stark or Lannister House card. Discard a card at random from that player's hand.

thanks a lot. I really like Dawn and Tower of Joy, and its nice to see a plot in the same CP that keeps them from being too strong (i.e. not a silver bullet, and no need for power level discussions).

The rookery's look interesting, not sure if there are a lot of plots (in LCG) that i want to be revealing in the challenge phase though (maybe to turn around the plots quicker, maybe), but i think this is more a part of my next comment being able to reveal those plots after drawing the event).

I am very dissapointed by the continued evidence of the lack of foresight on FFG's part about roation and we now have more reveal traited plot effects for our 1 plot that has a reveable trait (1 for each trait)....

You're welcome.

In the LCG you could still get some pretty swingy plays by revealing a 2 claim plot, Valar, or Wildfire. The rookeries seem pretty decent. I initially thought that the major houses were at a bit of a disadvantage due to having the rookeries that require you to lose a challenge, but now I'm thinking about it as a threat: "If you power challenge me I'll pop my rookery for Valor." I think I'd have to see them in actual play to really assess how good they actually are.

The events that trigger off plot traits really are irritating. I'm going to have to go back and buy Ancient Enemies to have it even make sense including them in a deck. If you're going to have a full quarter of a chapter pack reference a particular trait, you should **** well have at least one card that has that trait in the pack.

Wow... isn't this a little bit much to ask of FFG? How much easier do they need to make this game to buy?

It was never FFGs policy to reveal the contents of anything. I don't know where that idea came from. Usually one of us gets the honor of spoiling them on the boards when packs are received.

Personally, I like being surprised when I open my own packs.

Dragonstone Rookery -- is this supposed to reference power challenge plot cards rather than military battle plot cards as spoiled?

Also, does Heart of the Kingdom's text really allow for you to kneel the opponent's kingdom locations to trigger its effect, or is there a "you control" missing? :-)

I too am disappointed by the complete lack of appropriately traited plots, to say nothing of revealable ones. A Ravens block legacy pack with a bunch of the 5KE military battle/power struggle/intrigue gambit plots, in addition to the basic Greyjoy and Martell necessary to make those decks, would be a simple fix that would go a long way in releaving some of the "horrible state of the game" discussion amongst those players who have stuck around through all these recent changes to the game.

Thanks for the spoilers Illykai.

Interesting concepts for this CP. I wish there was a bit more Summer/Winter interaction, but plot card manipulation seems fun as well.

As a Baratheon player its nice to finally see King Renly, but overall... I think Stannis will remain the king to play for me!

finitesquarewell said:

Dragonstone Rookery: Am I missing the reference to the Military Battle plot card? As far as I see, none of the Rookerys deal with traited plots at all. Now, I'd tend to agree that the reference to losing a military challenge in the spoiler should probably be a reference to losing a power challenge , but you comments about plot traits has me confused.

Heart of the Kingdom: Kneeling the Kingdom location is a cost of the ability. You cannot pay costs with cards you do not control. So whether the spoiler is missing a "that you control" or not, the card itself doesn't need it. (Think of it this way; when a card says "kneel 1 influence to X" without actually specifying "that you control," are you reaching across the table to kneel your opponent's Crossroads in order to use your effect?)

Thank a lot Illykai for spoiling the contents fof the chapter packs.

Lars said:

I´m also dissapointed about that, in fact i formerly discussed the matter with Ktom here www.tzumainn.com/agot/cards/card.php . I would be really glad if we could get at least a "temporarily errata" (like the Davos VE one) in the LCG FAQ which allows some additional military battle, intrigue gambit and power struggle plot cards. I would also like to see a temporarily treaty rule for the houses Greyjoy and Martell. Of course erratas are never the best choice for a game, but i think in this special situation this would allow especially "LCG only" players a better playing experience and would create a larger card pool (- all chapter pack cards can be used) to build decks.

The whole errata thing wouldn´t only make sense in my book considering only the three event cards that were released in the latest chapter pack, but also for other cards like Dacey Mormont which finally receives a game text for the LCG enviroment.

@ktom: good call on both counts, i did get "power challenge" and "power struggle" confused