I'm not even a Baratheon player, but I really want to see this..

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that's a brillianet version of Robert - do I guess from the smiley face id no. that it's not real? shame, but really good quality - might have to print my own version

That Robert has great text and great arts... Hope that the smiley cycle will come one day ;-)

Gualdo said:

Funny, i mistook the edition symbol for a symbol of the star wars rebellion and wondered about the relation to AGOT. I really like the Robert, i think he would be perfect if he would be immediately killed with a boar hunting ground in play. :-) ~ And he´s obviously missing the maester trait.

I've been thinking about which characters I hope will show up in Lions of the Rock.

A new Tommen and Myrcella. We've got plenty of Joffreys, but his siblings could use some more representation. Perhaps make Myrcella a Lannister/Martell character.

The more minor Lannisters. First and foremost: Kevan Lannister. Come on, he's probably the most important Lannister outside of Tywin and his children, he deserves an awesome card. A new version of Lancel would also be nice, maybe one more reflective of his religious conversion. I'd also like to see some of the Lannister-aligned Freys. Cleos is the more major of the two, but his dad Emmon would be cool too; I'm imagining him with something that reflects the siege of Riverrun.

The Paynes. We just have the Core Set Ilyn Payne right now, and he's not that great right now. I'd love to see another version of him printed, perhaps a toned down version of his Iron Thrones Block version. Podrick is also desperately in need of some representation. Hopefully he'd have some nice synergy with Tyrion, and I'd like to see him have some limited save capabilities.

More for the Kingsguard. This might actually be something more for the A Tale of Champions cycle, as there's already a spoiled Jaime and Loras from those packs, but I'd love to see some more cards to boost them up. Boros Blount doesn't have a card yet, and Robert Strong could have some interesting effects. Some could be Lannister specific, though Neutral might be better to support the Kingsguard theme for other houses.

Finally, Taena of Myr.

Yeah... but let's focus for a second and talk about the Lannister character that we really want to see.

alpha5099 said:

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Ser Pounce

Traits: Creature.
Strength: 0
Icons: None
Crests: Shadow

Kill Ser Pounce (cannot be saved) to save a Lannister King or Queen character from being killed.

If you control the only Lannister King character in play, Ser Pounce gains:
Any Phase: You may put Ser Pounce into play directly from your hand without paying his gold cost.

Why? Well, mainly because I woke up this morning and started thinking about Thrones while I was laying in bed. But allow me to explain...

Lannister usually doesn't do direct saves, it prefers to claimsoak by throwing disposable smallfolk bodies in the way. As designed, Ser Pounce lets you follow that gameplan if you like (he's a cheap character, after all. He'll die nicely when you lose a Military challenge), but he also comes with a very narrow ability to save a specific key Lannister character if you need (but only once a game, because he has to die to do it). That's fairly nedly in a way, because he's supposed to be King Tommen's favourite pet* (sure, he'll probably be used to save Joffrey most of the time, but I can live with that).

The 'enters play free' ability is (1) cute nedly fluff to ensure that he turns up when Tommen (or Joffrey, I guess) is around, (2) something I don't think has been done with Shadows yet, and (3) designed to create a little bit of tension in how you use him (provided that you're running him alongside the characters he's supposed to work with).

Why tension? Well, as a Shadows card, Ser Pounce's principle value to you may well be to fuel up things like Tunnels of the Red Keep, Shadow Cersei's ability, or to trigger Shadow Tyrion's response... but to get that, you have to pay 2 gold for a fairly low-impact character (unless you're running a turbo-Joffrey deck). So the second ability forces you into making a choice; do you want Ser Pounce in play right now to start soaking up kills, or do you want to pay for him fairly in order to get the (potentially more valuable) shadow trigger before he arrives to start absorbing swordpoints?

*Also, to geek it up a bit, I wanted Ser Pounce to do the opposite of Rhaenys Targaryen's cat 'Balerion' (the only other famous kitten in AGOT); who legged it when she died, then spent the rest of his days hanging around the Red Keep, getting caught by Arya, and being mean to Tommen's kittens. In card form, Ser Pounce is going to do the opposite of that, by sticking his neck in the way whenever his master is in danger. They're very different classes of kitten you see.

Gualdo said:

That site won't let me view the pics since I am not a member. It also has an error every time I try to register. >

Kingsguard said:

Which browser do you use? The website won´t work with the Internet explorer. I e.g. use Google Chrome and everything just works fine.

Old Ben said:

That'd be my problem then. Alright, lets see if I can get any farther with Google chrome.

LoneWanderer said:

Nice!

Now, how about Lady Whiskers and Boots?

Shae the funny *****

Just wanna share a dream card too

Valyrian Hatch Keeper

House: Targaryen

Type: Character

Cost: 3 (Non Unique)

STR: 2

MIL/POW

Trait: Maester, Ally

Text:

Targ only.

Challenges: Pay 1 influence to put the topmost card of your deck into play, facedown as a Hatchling character. The character has the Dragon & Creature trait, STR 0, a MIL and a POW icon. At the end of the phase, discard the Hatchling (Cannot be saved).

The Valyrian hatchkeeper is a nice idea. I would prefer a variant that allows only one card per challenge phase, but let´s the little hatchlings stay in play. For i fear it could otherwise be a little bit too comboliscious.

Also it might be a funny variant that you need to check before putting it into play. If it´s a real dragon of str >2 the dragon is put into play and the hatchkeeper suffers from an accident in the dragonpit, if it´s not a dragon it´s just treated the way you described it.

Old Ben said:

Well the card was just a rough idea without a lot of thought. I like the additonal text. But in general it would probably be too strong, one way or another.

In my version, there would be a lot of claim soak, in your version the Hatchlings can be used even if the Hatchkeeper died. The middle ground would be discard at the end of the phase and limit once per phase but then I would make him a cost 2 character. Anyways, I really like those kind of mechanics and would like to see more of that stuff in upcoming cycles

Hatch Keeper is cool. Totally 'not in the books', but still darn awesome.

That said. I reckon that he'd be pretty hardcore (though still fair) as a 2 Str, Mil Pow with 'only one hatchling a turn'.

If you compare him to, say, Core Aemon; he gives you 1 free Mil-soak per turn, has the Maester trait, can get involved in challenges himself, and lets you add extra dragons to challenges where that matters (Go go Rhaegal!). Also, as a non-unique, you could potentially have three of them on the go at once.

Does giving him 'Ally' make him printable at 2 cost? I don't know (though a tourney shark could no doubt tell us). My gut says that if he was dropped to 2 cost, that his strength should probably drop to 1 at the same time.

Either way, big thumbs up on the card.

LoneWanderer said:

I guess we can reduce icons or STR and he would be still very playable. I thought about making him unique but then you have several ways so save him, so I went with non-unique. Yeah he's totally not in the books

Dream card Agenda

You can play a "house only" out of house card as your restricted card.

Really like the Valyrian Hatch Keeper idea. Maybe the cost should be kneel 1 influence and the keeper, so that you could potentially spend the resources standing him back up to repeat, but it's not automatic?

I agree the Hatchkeeper idea is interesting. Sadly it's not at all thematic and should not be easily repeatable for balance sake. Now if you really like the concept from a play standpoint of putting "token" characters into play (though not dragons) what you want to do is make the concept over as a Night's Watch character. In fact I think there used to be an old CCG version of Yoren that did something along those lines.

Just for example if I was making him as a new LCG card:

Yoren (Unique)

House: Neutral

Type: Character

Cost: 2 cost

Trait(s): Night's Watch

Strength: 2

Icons: Int

Text: Any phase: Pay 1 gold to choose an event card in any player's discard pile and put it into play facedown as a 1 Str character under your control with the Night's Watch trait and a military icon. (limit once per phase)

Alternatively he could kneel to use use the ability and then there could be no gold cost or limit (as the kneel takes care of the limit itself) but I like not having to kneel him for the effect.