Can shadow of the south be cancelled by an event? When does it go into effect. Would the card itself stop them from playing an event cancel?

Usual timing:

Step 1: Effect is initiated (costs paid, restrictions checked, etc.)

Step 2: Save/Cancel opportunity

Step 3: Effect resolves

So yes, Paper Shield can cancel Shadow of the South because it interrupts and is used before the "cannot play events" effect actually resolves.

I don't know if he was asking about that or the gold cost part, but either way its cancelable.

Mathias sees the future.

If I remember correctly, the shadow cost doesn't count as a gold cost to play the card, so its still able to be cancelled.

Fieras said:

The Shadow Rules says :

"If the value of a Shadow card’s “printed cost” must be determined (because
of another card effect), the value is determined by adding the cost of
playing the card into Shadows (two gold) to the cost of bringing the
card out of Shadows (as shown on the card)."

Also, as ktom says it's clear from the Shadow Rules that the event is considered played from my hand.

Then from FAQ:

"Event cards are “played” by placing the card
on the table, paying the specified cost, and
triggering the effect."

So, ok, the cost to bring the card out of the shadows is not considered a gold price on "playing" the event from my hand, but what is? According to the FAQ above, it is the event's cost (2+sX).

Paper shield checks the cost of my event. The cost is as if I had played it from my hand. The cost "played from my hand" is the "specified cost as per FAQ. If that is the card's printed cost, then Shadow rules says it is(2+sX).

If I put into play a printed cost 3 character with a shadow crest, can I play a Response kiling a character of cost 3 or less that has just entered play? I would think yes, because we are not looking at what was actually paid, but at the theorical cost. And it is defined in Shadow rules and never 0.

A couple of things:

Bolzano said:

The other thing is that this is a ruled issue. Nate has specifically said there is a difference between paying the (printed) cost of the Shadow event to being it out of Shadows and the cost of triggering the effect on the actual card. After all, you could bring a Shadow event out of Shadows and choose NOT to trigger the "after this card comes out of Shadows..." Response, couldn't you? Paper Shield is canceling that Response, not the mechanic of bringing the card out of Shadows. Therefore, Paper Shield looks at the cost to trigger the Response on the Shadow event, not the cost to create the Response opportunity that makes it legal to choose (or not choose) to trigger the Response by bringing the card out of Shadows.

Moral of the story: At this point, Paper Shield can cancel every Shadow event when it comes out of Shadows based on specific ruling from FFG differentiating the cost to being out of Shadows from the cost to trigger the Response effect.

I cannot tell if Bolzano thinks Paper Shield can't cancel it or not.

Paper Shield doesn't care about what it costs to play the actual event card. It cares about the cost to initiate the effect of the event card. This is why Calm Over Westeros and costs to bring event cards out of the shadows is not considered by Paper Shield. I think the way its worded can cause some type of a ambiguity because of how the sentence is arranged.

"Response: Cancel the effects of an event card just played that does not have a gold or an influence cost."

This sentence either means the cost of the effect or the cost of playing the event card. Since event cards don't actually have their own cost to be played unless there is some play restriction(Calm Over Westeros) or it is brought out of the shadows, it must mean the cost of the effect.

Thanks, I forgot about that FFG ruling

@Bomb: Part of my point was that event cards are played in a specific - way by triggering them.

"Event cards are “played” by placing the card
on the table, paying the specified cost, and
triggering the effect."

So I had assumed the cost of the effect IS the cost of playing the event.

A link to this Nate ruling might be interesting since I'm still not very clear why we look at the Response cost and not at the event cost.

@ktom : Agreed for Confession. But what of this hypothetical kill effect - I indeed meant printed cost.

Bolzano said:

Anyway, we can kind of answer it by looking at what you quote here:

"Event cards are “played” by placing the card
on the table, paying the specified cost, and
triggering the effect."

The thing to consider here is that placing the card on the table is separated out from paying the cost of the triggered effect. Usually, placing the card on the table is no big thing. You just take the event out of your hand and put it down. That's the way events work from your hand. But when you are dealing with a Shadow event, you don't get that privilege. In order to "place the card on the table" from Shadows, you have to bring it out of Shadows (by paying the rest of its cost). Once it is on the table, you pay the specified cost and trigger the effect.

So you can look at it that way if it helps. The cost that Paper Shield looks at is the one after the bold face, timing trigger word in both the "from hand" and "from Shadows" situations. If there is a "cost" to place it on table, it would not look at that. In the "from hand" situation, there isn't a cost to put it on the table, anyway (although Calm Over Westeros would seem to create one, although I'd call that a restriction). But in the "from Shadows" situation, the cost to bring the event out of Shadows is what you have to do to place the card on the table before paying the costs specified by the bold face timing trigger. So Paper Shield, which doesn't look at the costs until after the event is on the table, would ignore that part of triggering the event.