Just got back from playing and have a question that came up.

I think I'm right in saying that all cards kneel seperately unless an effect or ability instructs otherwise, ie, if character card has an attachment and you kneel character the attachment stays standing.

Am I right in thinking ;

If I choose to kneel Shaggydog attachment to chose 1 attacking character to get - 2 STR. Then, if I win that said challange as defender I get to stand Shaggydog.

Cheers

M

Mykel The Vile said:

Because of first text box in Shaggydog Attachment card;

Made us question whether attached crards knelt with character when character knelt as opposed to seperately.

Becuase we thought when it says in text box;

After you win challange in which attached character participated, stand Shaggydog.

Someone in group said, hold on ! Does that mean attachment kneels with character because if not why does attachment need standing ?

Thus I said I will double check on forum but was sure we had been playing it right. I thought it was the way the card read but other players questioned whether we had been playing attachments right.

I think what threw everyone off was due to the text box's, ie if below text box was above and vice versa I think there wouldn't have been a problem.

Basically KTOM, our groups a bit thick and me being the thickest of all has been given the task of asking all these newby questions on the forum. 0_O

Gotcha. I wasn't making the connection.

Mykel The Vile said:

The attachment "needs standing" for the reason you (perhaps inadvertently) cited above - it can be triggered as a "Challenges" action any time during the phase. You could use Shaggydog in the first challenge of the phase, whether the attached character is involved or not, then stand him later when the character does participate, on attack or defense.

This sort of thing is especially effective in Melee where there is a lot of attacking going on. Imagine that you go second. Player A attacks you, you use Shaggydog. During your own challenges, you attack with the attached character and end up standing Shaggydog. Then when Player C is attacking, you can use Shaggydog again.

It's all about options and timing. Shaggydog's stand ability doesn't make a lot of sense for the way that a lot of people play (1-on-1 games, always trying to go first); but the potential of it is really interesting in some other styles of play (like 3-, or 4-player, tending not to go first).

KTOM, you know I thought thats how it worked, but due to our " pain in the arse " Targ player we ended up not using him correctly tonight until I got confirmation, which was ashame because in turn it threw all the attachment play into chaos.

Were learning all the time though, we made good breakthroughs tonight due to having the PDF book with us, one was on a card abilities issues and choosing to trigger an effect which was a pretty important ruling at the end. Its a must to have that book when we play, its our main teacher.

Its getting into the habit of just following what the text tells you to do and not assuming over a hidden meaning, I know that sounds a bit daft but I think thats what my group and especially me are tending to do.

Instaed of just reading the bloody card and if it states when a character kneels but does not state attachment as well dont assume the attachment may kneel just because it didnt state it.

If that makes sense.

Mykel The Vile said:

And there are games that work like that - essentially, "if it doesn't say you can't, you can."

AGoT's approach is more of an "if it doesn't say you can, you can't." Nothing says attachments kneel with their attached cards, so they don't. Nothing says that cards that do not kneel to attack or defend can violate the other requirements for being declared in a challenge (ie, must be standing and have the appropriate challenge icon to be declared), so they can't. Once you get into that mindset, you'll be less prone to make things up as you go.

Although, of course, we all still do that, too.