Hi guys, I was wondering if I could get the final word on a few abilities. I think I know the answers already, but you never know.

1. If Cthulhu is brought into play insane with Things in the Ground, can I use a zero cost Shotgun Blast to kill him?

2. Khopesh of the Abyss - what happens when this card is attached to someone who has invulnerability like Carl Stanford?

3. If I take control of a character with Infernal Obsession, and someone destroys that support card, does the character it was attached to return to the original player? Kind of related - if Repo Men takes control of a few support cards over the course of a game, and he dies, do I keep control of the support cards?

Thanks!

badash56 said:

1. I believe so

2. It does nothing, a character with the kopesh needs to be able to recieve wounds. Invulnerable characters cannot recieve wounds so its ability is uesless when attached to an invulnerable character.

3. If Infernal Obsession is destroyed, the owner regains control of the card. Not sure about Repo Man though

Infernal Obsession specifies the duration: "While attached, you gain control of the attached character". So when it is not attached (if it is destroyed) you don't gain control of the character - it's just a temporary thing (as Lou Reed sang).

Repo Man on the other hand has no such restriction. You gain control of the support card. Doesn't matter what happens to Repo Man after that.

Thanks guys, that's what I thought!

I'm curious why an invulnerable character can't use the Khopesh, given the exact wording of the card. It says "Chose a character. That character and attached character each take a wound."

It doesn't say that you have to chose the invulnerable one, as invulnerable characters can never be chosen to take a wound. It just says the attached character has to take a wound.

Kaworu17 said:

I forgot to finish my thought - I meant to say it says the attached character takes a wound. Since you can't put a wound on an invulnerable character, I don't see how this prevents it. Prove me wrong, please, but I thought I stumbled on something outrageous.

Kaworu17 said:

You must be able to complete the effect in order to be able to use it. Generally anyway. An invulnerable character cannot take, be chosen for, or in anyway take wounds while it has invulnerability. Since the attached character can't recieve the wound, you can't complete the effect.

Thank goodness, I knew it was fishy, but I was going off the exact reading.

Well you need to combine the card reading with the rulebook. I know The Golden Rule is that the card rules override the rule book, but there are exceptions as stated in the rule book's presentation of The Golden Rule. The rulebook tells us, as Magnus said, that:

Characters with Invulnerability can never be wounded or chosen to be wounded, or have wound tokens moved or placed on them, regardless of card effects

So Invulnerability is one of those cases where The Golden Rule doesn't kick in.