Hello,

I have been going over the sorcerer rules and I am a little stuck on if you can get discipline mastery using sorcery.

1) Page 168 in the Radical Handbook and page 116 in Disciples of the Dark gods states that all psyhic powers can also be manifested as sorcery Arcana, and Discipline Powers count as Major Arcane with a threshold 2 higher. That is simple enough.

2) The Sorcery Talent (page 168 and 117 respectively as above) more or less says you get 3x your willpower bonus in Arcana, Major powers count as 2, and picking Arcana is not bound by the psyker's Discipline framework.

Does this main that sorcerer's can never have domain mastery? It seems to me no, but I wanted to see how everyone else does it. It just seems really difficult to manifest major Arcana and there is no hope of lowering thresholds. But then this is my first game and I have never ran a straight pskyer.

Well, I would say the questions is

Is it a Psyker boosting his power with sorcery or is it a sorcerer?

In the later case, the career (Non-Psyker) will lack access to the discussed talent to begin with

If we are talking about a Psyker all of the regular rules do still apply, so yes, mastery is possible.

There is no such thing for sorcerer anymore as Discipline. He study Arcana now, and every Arcana must me manifested by some dark and obscure method. There are no similarites between them, as it is in Discipline. So, my version is NO. Sorcerer can have no mastery.

Arcanas have no Disciplines like Powers have it. --> No Mastery.

Some Arcanas emulate Powers, but they are not the same, they just make the same effects, but are evoced in different ways.

Well... if you want to go by RAW alone, without any regard for fluff, then yes, discipline mastery, i believe, would count towards arcana, simply because it is not stated anywhere that it should not. Then again, that particular opinion of mine could be debated by rules lawyers from now, until the Emperor steps down from the throne.

But if you go in the context of the fluff, then it is a bit more complicated, yet a bit more interesting.

Wyrds (Non-sanctioned psykers) technically use regular psychic disciplines and as such should qualify for discipline focus/mastery once they meet the requirements. An elite-advance, sure, but it should still be possible.

Psykers should naturally get access to discipline focus/mastery but even if he falls, and turns to sorcery, he should still get access, provided he buys the powers needed as regular psychic powers, rather than arcana.

Sorcerers who have no... ummm... spark? of psychic power, but instead pick up their warp-based powers from grimoirs, dark dealings with Things that go 'bump' in the night, or warp-shock, should not get access to discipline focus/mastery.

This is my opinion and hopefully it helps

-Nearyn

I agree with what was mentioned regarding psykers obtaining mastery over their discipline but we are talking sorcery."fragmented and contridictory", ritual mastery can be obtained if not through mastering the dark arts. mastering the rituals independently. while rare the corruption that comes at the hands of paying the price to delve into arcanatalents csts about 1d10-WP every time a manifested power is used but look how many shared powers psykers and sorcerers have when calculating WP bonus x 2 major powers for just taking the sorcerer talent, it could be possible in crunch to master a discipline.

I agree with everyone above, just checking to make sure that was the case. I was referring to straight sorcery, not the psyker+ varient.

Gregorius21778 said:

Three alternative careers in the radical handbook grant sorcery, only one requires you to be a psyker going in.

Adeptus Stormicus said:

You get WP bonus x 3 powers, major count as 2 so you end up with 1.5xWP bonus.