Switching first player mid game

By Bonus Card, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

I understand switching first player during the marshaling phase, but could people help explain other phases such as challenges. If First player is switched during a two player game after the original first player declares a challenge, what then happens to the current challenge after this switch to a new first player. Is the challenge canceled or that challenge is resolved, or what?

Bonus Card said:

I understand switching first player during the marshaling phase, but could people help explain other phases such as challenges. If First player is switched during a two player game after the original first player declares a challenge, what then happens to the current challenge after this switch to a new first player. Is the challenge canceled or that challenge is resolved, or what?

Note that the only card that currently can change the first player outside of the Marshalling phase is Deep Den which reads:

Response: After the challenges phase begins and you are the first player, kneel Deep Den to choose a new first player.

This ability is a Response. It must be triggered during the Response window of the "Challenge phase begins" framework action window. So you will choose a new player before anyone declares a challenge. Challenges will then start with that player and proceed normally. Currently, there is no way (in the LCG at least) to change the First Player in the middle of the Challenge phase (unless I am overlooking some way to play Knights of the Storm outside of Marshalling).

schrecklich said:

Bonus Card said:

I understand switching first player during the marshaling phase, but could people help explain other phases such as challenges. If First player is switched during a two player game after the original first player declares a challenge, what then happens to the current challenge after this switch to a new first player. Is the challenge canceled or that challenge is resolved, or what?

Note that the only card that currently can change the first player outside of the Marshalling phase is Deep Den which reads:

Response: After the challenges phase begins and you are the first player, kneel Deep Den to choose a new first player.

This ability is a Response. It must be triggered during the Response window of the "Challenge phase begins" framework action window. So you will choose a new player before anyone declares a challenge. Challenges will then start with that player and proceed normally. Currently, there is no way (in the LCG at least) to change the First Player in the middle of the Challenge phase (unless I am overlooking some way to play Knights of the Storm outside of Marshalling).

I figured that I can make the switch using bound by blood

so i am still confused

Bonus Card said:

I figured that I can make the switch using bound by blood

so i am still confused

You said you were from Taiwan in another thread...I don't know what language the cards you are using are in, but in English Bound By Blood says to "put (a character) into play from your hand." The game distinguishes between playing a card and putting a card into play. Playing a character, attachment, or location means putting that card into play from your hand by paying its gold cost during the Marshalling phase. "Putting something into play" is more general. It includes marshalling cards, but it also includes putting cards into play through other means like the effect of Bound by Blood.

Well, I am living in Taiwan as an expat. I have read about the "when played"/"comes into play" distinction and was not sure where "after you play" fell amongst those definitions.

Bonus Card said:

Well, I am living in Taiwan as an expat. I have read about the "when played"/"comes into play" distinction and was not sure where "after you play" fell amongst those definitions.

It is unfortunate terminology (so much so that Magic: the Gathering actually got rid of it by replacing "play" with "cast" and "comes into play" with "enters the battlefield"), but basically whenever "play" is used as a verb it refers to the specific action during the Marshalling phase and whenever the phrase "into play" is used it is referring to the more general case.

Sounds to me like some designers were trying to weasel out of card errata early on, and then it stuck.

Well, they added it to the FAQ, so no matter how it started, they pretty much said "from here on out, this is how the terminology works in this game."