All-out attack with 2 weapons

By Dictator, in Dark Heresy Rules Questions

Hi. I m just wonder, does character get 2 attacks while All-out attacking, if he armed with 2 swords and have two weapon wielding?

It seems logical to me, that he does. Im gonna allow it, but with +0 bonus (-20 for 2 weapon fighting, +20 for All-out). But what do you, guys think about it?

It would be nice, but "All out Attack" and "Multiple Attacks" are two separate full actions, they can't be combined. Only way i recall to get extra attacks on all out is furious Assault trait, or other abilities that allow you to attack as your reaction for the round.

of course, if your running the game you can allow it, seems like a fair trade, +20 to WS vs can't dodge or parry, no mater the attack.

As written "All out" is 1 (one) big swing, not combinable with almost all other attack options, as it is its own Full Action. Which makes it a not-good combat option for all but the most untrained low-level acolythes.

Once you have Lightning or Swift Attack, or Two Weapon Wielder its simply bad.

If you want to change this, you can implement a house rule that All Out is not a special attack, but a modification on other kinds of attacks. trade off your reaction to get +20 to hit.

You both speak true, but according to RAW you can shot two Full Auto bursts while two-weapon wealding. So, there is nothing wrong in combining two FullActions while TWW, thats my point.

The Two Weapon Weilder rules explicity states that Full-Auto can be utilised with the balistic version of the talent, however just because one type of Full action can be invoked using the TWW talent does not mean that others can.

is this not dual strike.

comitting all ones effort to strike with both weapons at once

that being said. it does seem logical that you could strike with both weapons reciving the +20 to forego you reaction

this is pretty much as Noctus said any attack can gain +20 if you forego your reaction.

meaning anyone can comine guarded attack for -10 to a attack but +10 to reaction

all out +20 no reactions

normal +0 basic reations

guarded -10 +10 to reactions

i cant really see a reason w hy this would not work for swift and lightning. it does not break furious that much either as you can only spend reactions to gain extra attacks therefore one attack(maybe 2 with sidestep or wall of steel)

so a WS 50 fighter does an all out lightning attack with 2 swords. that is 1 attack with his off hand and 3 with main. this requires TWW melee but not ambidex. so his attack will be at 50-20(two weaponfighting no abidex)+20(all out)=50 so say he hits with 2 out of the four he can then use furious to convert each hit into an extra attack for each reaction he has (normaly one)

blade dancer and side arm from black crusade should be in DH. same as gunslingler

dual axe weilding berserkers dont just hit with one weapon they land a flurry of blows without paying head to anything not 4 feet infront of them. thus frenzy forcing all out attack as one big swing would break this.

using them as modifiers makes sense

one could all out stun or guarded stun

all out charge for +30 guarded charge for base

(been sitting here deciding wether to post this. it makes sense but may affect other things a have not though of. posting anyway)