Orks and the forces of chaos

By jbuck, in Black Crusade

IIRC, a paraphrasing of the 'Into the Storm' explanation for Orks un-corruptability was something along the lines of...

"...Orks seem like they should be natural followers of Khorne, but the typical Orkish mindset thinks, if he <Khorne, or some other greater Khornite Daemon> isn't going to show up here and now to beat our current war-boss in a fight, why should we worship/follow him, instead of the afore-mentioned war-boss who is here and is leading us in battle and is beating us up his-very-own-self? "

which just made me love Orks even more!

Just because they can't be corrupted by any of the Big Four, that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't creatures of Chaos. Perhaps they already are. Just a pet idea I've been playing around with. Gork and Mork do exist and are most definitely a God and/or Gods. What if Gork and Mork are Gods just like the other Big Four. Its just that while the Four are fed by worship, prayer and emotion that Humans are capable of giving, Gork and Mork subside entirely off the WAAAGH which is a purely Orkoid emotion/force. They don't get corrupted because they already are "corrupted" by Gork and Mork. The book, "The First Heretic" has a certain Daemon claiming that the Fall of the Eldar didn't happen merely because Slannesh was born, but because the Eldar rejected it at its birth. What if that is true? Also, what if the Orks did give birth to their very own god and embraced it when they heard its call. The Orks could be the way they are today because of the dictates of their god whom is in return what it is today because of the Orks' nature.

Purely speculation of course. No actual evidence to back it up. I think it is an interesting idea that they don't follow other gods because by the time of their birth, they are the Chosen of a god already.

Dulahan said:

EVERYTHING, yes, EVERYTHING in the old Rogue Trader game (The original 1e of 40k) is NOT canon anymore. If it was mentioned there, it doesn't count. Even if, and especially if that was the only place it has ever been mentioned.

Not that I don't agree with you completely, but how would you respond to the people who shout that everything with a Games Workshop logo on it is canon, no matter when it was released?

In the background of the Warhammer tabletop game (I think it was two Editions ago), GW declared that all gods in that universe are just aspects of one of the four Chaos Gods; even Sigmar, protector of the Empire, is just an avatar of Khorne. By the same logic, Gork and Mork might be twisted misinterpretations of the Ruinous Powers: Gork an amalgam of of Khorne (bloodshed) and Nurgle (inevitability), and Mork a hybrid of Tzeentch (cunning) and Slaanesh (thrills).

Adeptus-B said:

In the background of the Warhammer tabletop game (I think it was two Editions ago), GW declared that all gods in that universe are just aspects of one of the four Chaos Gods; even Sigmar, protector of the Empire, is just an avatar of Khorne. By the same logic, Gork and Mork might be twisted misinterpretations of the Ruinous Powers: Gork an amalgam of of Khorne (bloodshed) and Nurgle (inevitability), and Mork a hybrid of Tzeentch (cunning) and Slaanesh (thrills).

Again with it being an old source, and fantasy not 40k. Citations are necessary if you want to prove anything :P

Kasatka said:

Adeptus-B said:

In the background of the Warhammer tabletop game (I think it was two Editions ago), GW declared that all gods in that universe are just aspects of one of the four Chaos Gods; even Sigmar, protector of the Empire, is just an avatar of Khorne. By the same logic, Gork and Mork might be twisted misinterpretations of the Ruinous Powers: Gork an amalgam of of Khorne (bloodshed) and Nurgle (inevitability), and Mork a hybrid of Tzeentch (cunning) and Slaanesh (thrills).

Again with it being an old source, and fantasy not 40k. Citations are necessary if you want to prove anything :P

I wasn't trying to "prove" anything, I was just speculating on TheSaylesMan 's question about where the ork gods fit into the 40K cosmology...

-And what's wrong with "old" sources? GW is constantly refering back to the early days of the 40Kverse. Look at the recent resurrection of Jokaero Weaponsmiths- a concept from the 1987 1st Edition, absent for so many years that I would have sworn that they had been retconned (the Ambull from Creatures Anathema also falls into this category...). Old Stuff Roolz! If you don't like it, go play Dawn of War and pretend that 40K only started there lengua.gif

Werent orks made by the Old Ones to battle the necrons ? I seem to remember that from the necron codex.

Ofcourse that codex is old but still.

Adeptus-B said:

Kasatka said:

Adeptus-B said:

In the background of the Warhammer tabletop game (I think it was two Editions ago), GW declared that all gods in that universe are just aspects of one of the four Chaos Gods; even Sigmar, protector of the Empire, is just an avatar of Khorne. By the same logic, Gork and Mork might be twisted misinterpretations of the Ruinous Powers: Gork an amalgam of of Khorne (bloodshed) and Nurgle (inevitability), and Mork a hybrid of Tzeentch (cunning) and Slaanesh (thrills).

Again with it being an old source, and fantasy not 40k. Citations are necessary if you want to prove anything :P

I wasn't trying to "prove" anything, I was just speculating on TheSaylesMan 's question about where the ork gods fit into the 40K cosmology...

-And what's wrong with "old" sources? GW is constantly refering back to the early days of the 40Kverse. Look at the recent resurrection of Jokaero Weaponsmiths- a concept from the 1987 1st Edition, absent for so many years that I would have sworn that they had been retconned (the Ambull from Creatures Anathema also falls into this category...). Old Stuff Roolz! If you don't like it, go play Dawn of War and pretend that 40K only started there lengua.gif

Well digi-weapons have convintued to exist, and the Ordo Xenos works with some minor xenos races they can easily control, so Jokaero have always been present in the setting.