Had a very very interesting situation occur. Was a 4 player game.

Rumor Effect:

"When a monster enters Uptown Streets, place it on this card....."

"Fail: If there as monsters on this card as there are investigators plus one (5 in this case), return it to the box (and all monsters on it to the cup). All investigators are devoured."

There was already one monster on the card. Two investigators were in the streets dealing with the pass parameters. The very next Mythos card called for 2 monsters to be released to the uptown streets. The monster movement also caused 2 monsters in the sky to come down to the location with the investigators. So right there those 4 monsters causes the rumor to fail. My question is do the investigators already there have a chance to deal with any of the monsters? My thinking was the flying monsters move to swoop down onto the investigators therefore having an encounter with them. Does the rumor card in place override this though?

Funny thing is that during the upkeep phase immediately following I was prepared to finish Silas' personal quest. It would have sealed a gate of choice and he would have been devoured, but it would have been the sixth gate sealed. So really the ruling on this either decides whether it was a win or a loss. Even if they would have all been devoured we would have likely gone on to win but it would have felt like losing haha.

I forgot to mention that one of the Flying Monsters was Servitor of Outer Gods, would have likely resulted in both those investigators being devoured as well. Lots of devouring all came to head in the course of 1 turn haha.

iballz said:

You don't encounter monsters that move onto an investigator during the Mythos Phase. They are just placed there and you have to deal with them (fight or evade) during your next Movement Phase. So in this case, if I got the gist of the story right, the Rumor would've failed on the spot.

iballz said:

I would agree with Dam, the Rumour triggered and all Investigators were devoured.

I would note that any such Monsters that enter Uptown Streets while this Rumour card is in play are placed on the Rumour card itself . This would mean that the Servitor of Outer Gods wouldn't be in a position to devour your Investigator during the next Movement Phase (if the Rumour hadn't already devoured them). Monsters are no longer in Arkham (they don't count towards the Monster limit after all), they are moved off Uptown Streets onto the Rumour card. They can't be attacked nor can they attack.

From the card text, One Thousand Young

Ongoing Effect: When a monster enters Uptown Streets, place it on this card. Monsters on this card do not count against the monster limit.

Pass: Investigators who end their movement in the Uptown Streets may make a Lore (-1) check to place a clue token on this card. If there are as many clue tokens on this card as there are investigators plus one, return it to the box (and all monsters on it to the cup) and each investigator gains a random monster trophy.

Fail: If there are as many monsters on this card as there are investigators plus one, return it to the box (and all monsters on it to the cup). All investigators are devoured.

Of course, there is still some ambiguity as to whether a monster appearing in a location counts as a monster entering a location. I believe Tibs says it does, but I'm inclined to take the opposite position, simply because of the vocabulary. Entering, in the game's parlance, means moving into a location from somewhere else. Monsters appearing do not come from any particular location.

I would play that "appearing" means "entering," and I weaved some convoluted argument about how it applied to the Werewolf during "A monster appears!" encounters (something about how the monster came to that spot from a dimension or something), but currently I'm not adamant about it.

My thinking was the same, the encounter would not happen until the next movement phase. So the 2 monsters swoop down from the sky seeing these investigators, but the rumor card takes precedence and they would effectively be placed onto that rumor card instead.

I thought there might be some chance that with investigators being there would cause the monsters to stay until an encounter occurs in the movement phase.

My thinking in the end was that rumor cards are meant to make life hell for the investigators and would in the end cause them all to be devoured.

Amazing how quickly the game can turn around and get you. We weren't even mad, it was amazing how it happened.

Poor Silas was all ready to sacrifice himself for the greater good of the world and got gobbled up