Would the extra gold given by the Black Raven be considered a gold bonus, i.e. would Knights of the Hollow Hill negate the extra gold?

Black Raven: ". . . Each player takes 1 additional gold token when he or she counts income."

Knights of the Hollow Hill: ". . . Other cards you control do not provide a gold bonus. . . ."

I'd say it's an effect that let's you take additional gold, not a proper gold bonus usually represented by the coin symbol, and thus unaffected by the agenda. But someone asked this over at agotcards.org and I wasn't 100% sure.

Gold bonuses are the gold coin icon. The Raven is a completely separate effect (and mechanic, for that matter).

That's what I thought, thanks.

so black raven means you never have less then 1 gold? Even if you play blockade and have a burned and pillaged played against you?

Not necessarily. If there are enough -X gold modifiers out there (like Burned and Pillaged), it could wipe out the +1 gold from the Raven.

More specifically, while Black Raven is a completely different mechanic for adding gold into your gold count during Marshaling, it is still part of the gold count. So it can be overcome with enough -X modifiers going into the same count.

ktom said:

My brain just imploded. So the raven's effect is not a gold bonus, but treated as an income modifier? I would have thought you'd add up your income and modifiers (sans raven), arrive at 0 (even if it would be negative, because all negative values are treated as 0), so you'd count 0 income but take 1 additional gold because of the raven's effect (as a passive effect following the counting of income framework action). But apparently not?

Saturnine said:

I can see Saturnine's point. Black Raven says "take an additional gold token" and not "add 1 additional gold to your income", so to me that action alone is separate from the gold modifiers and plot income when counting income for marshaling.

Negative modifiers don't have you put Gold back into the treasury once you have taken it.

If Black Raven said "+1 to your gold count" then I think Burned and Pillaged would apply.

Saturnine said:

You do not round to 0 before taking the additional gold.

You take the 1 additional gold when you count income, not after. If it were "after, I'd agree with your interpretation. Since it is "when," I don't think you get to round to 0 before taking the 1 from the Raven.

"Each player takes 1 additional gold token when he or she counts income."

Doesn't this imply that the additional gold token is separate from anything that is considered "income" or gold modifiers? It tells you to take the gold token, not to include it as part of the gold count.

On the contrary, the White Raven has the text: "Each player takes 1 less gold token when he or she counts income." which implies that this gold is part of the "income" or gold count which also means taking the 1 additional gold token is not as literal as some of the text in this game can be and that it really means you add it to your gold count.

ktom said:

Ah, so we now take such words into consideration. Like in:

"When Robert Baratheon claims power for renown, he claims an additional power."?

Great.

Send it to FFG for clarification if it bothers you.

My point was that simply when/after is not enough to understand what's going on here.

And my suggestion to send it to FFG was general, not directed at any individual post or comment.