Hold on: it says that if rumours that Tigurius can tap the hive mind are true he will be the greatest psyker (Emps is a different league) in the Imperium. I agree with that.

Calgar is the greatest Ultramarine since Robert Guillaume. Thus possibly the greatest chapter master but hard to compare with the likes of Dante or Grimnar or Draigo.

Telion is merely the best sniper, not the best scout.

So it's okay, the Ultras got some of the brightest talents around. Girlyman is still not the spiritual liege of my Crimson Fists, only a figure nearly as influential as Dorn.

Alex

I think the Ultra Marines are cool in the RPG, especially their successor the Nova Marines.
Perhaps its the whole Roman thing they have going on.

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ak-73 said:

"If rumors are true" is basically like saying "this guy did that, but we know it's going to piss off some fans, so we're hushing."

And Telion is supposedly so good at training novice Scouts that he's liberally distributed amongst the Ultramarine successor Chapters.

And Draigo really isn't that great a Chapter Master. He's been stuck in the Warp since his inception, his actual contribution to the Chapter has been jack while the Grand Masters have been doing all the work.

Also, if you look at all the Space Marine fluff in which two Chapters get into a fight, he's always the one they defer to for leadership. Not their own predecessor Chapter, in the case of the Knights of the Raven, but the Ultramarines' Chapter Master, so apparently his reputation is so great that a feud between two successor Chapters is apparently automatically deferred to him.

This may be a bit off-topic but I thought that I would ask anyway since this thread is somewhat on the right track for it.

If a Ultramarine Successor Chapter would entirely disregard the Codex Astartes, almost Space Wolf-style, how far would the Ultramarines' and their successors distaste and wrath go with that Chapter? In the scenario I'm thinking about the Ultramarines would probably refuse any but the most needed communications, be very disrespectful to that Chapter and use every oppertunity to humiliate them and put them down that they got. The same is true for the successors although these would probably go a bit more "light" on the issue but still follow the same basic route. Or would the Ultramarines actively seek the Chapter's destruction for the affront of disregarding the Codex Astartes organizational practices in general?

And how would other Codex Chapters view it? Just like some errantic Chapter or would they also take oppertunity to pick on this non-Codex Chapter? Mostly I'm thinking about the Imperial Fists who might enjoy rubbing this in the Ultramarine's face.

So in essence, how would such space marines get along in the same Kill-Team and how could Chapters like that get along in the larger picture? And yes, this Chapter is one we made ourselves so there's not much official info to go one. But if someone sits on a similar official scenario please free to inform me.

Gurkhal said:

I rolled up a Chapter with some people on Tv Tropes that was essentially "Ultramarine successors who disregard the Codex, as well as any semblance of a balanced approach to warfare (they're more about long range ded sneaky dakka than anything else)".

It's said in Rites of Battle that an Ultramarine successor Chapter that chooses to divert from the Codex makes them outcasts amongst their fellow successor Chapters, and the Ultramarines will go out of their way to ignore them if possible. Although they'll still expect these successor Chapters to show up if the Ultramarines call for help, they'll probably be assigned the most menial tasks and be deployed to worlds away from the main offensive as much as possible.

As for having them on the same Kill-Team, I imagine it'd be a bit like a Black Templar and a Librarian, both acting abrasively towards the other because they know it'd be stupid to come to blows.

Hadn't seen that part in Rites of Battle. Thanks for clearing it up.