Jvirtue55 said:

That only applies from a traditional CCG gamer point of view. The problem is that WHI has the potential to attract a lot of people that didn't play such games before like me and 4 other players from my region did. It could be even more because the interest is there but 400 $ is a barrier when you have other hobbies besides card gaming. It was ok by me because I started playing WHI when it came out.

WHI has a very good learning curve and can quickly drag the casual player into a more competitive one but the earlier release format really frightens off potential players that would otherwise continiually buy the battlepacks + expansions.

grille said:

I totally agree with both these points, it's not realistic to comparre this game to CCGs because they appeal to different audiences. LCGs are appealing becasue they theoretically dont require the large investment and uncertainty that comes along with CCGs. I also think FFG is shooting itself in the foot by turning off potential players with the incomplete core set + ulthuan and corruption cycle. THey forego alot of profits from future purchases of new releases by doing so. I think they should do everything they can to "rope in" new players, new players who then procede to buy the entire WI library once they get addicted to the game.

I think they will wait till they sell out all their back stock of core sets

i agree, we want a 3x core, more expensive, of course, like 60$.

Here's an idea. What about releasing a Warhammer Invasion Core set expansion ?
It will only come with the cards needed to complete a full set. Example: 2 Demolition, 2 Judgement Of Verena, 1 Seduced by Darkness, etc. No need for Lobber Crews or Pistoliers since we already have a full set of those. The price could be the same they use for regular expansions such as Assault on Ulthuan and Marched Of The Damned.
This way, they won't need to repackage the Core set.

Another possibility would be to release faction specific pre-made decks that incorporate 3x copies of cards that were 1x copies in the Core set and the first cycle of battle packs. Such decks might be appealing to new players, who could sidestep the initial cost of buying 3 core sets plus 3 of every pack from the first cycle, and also to established players who could cherry pick the offerings to pick up the cards they'd like to have more copies of (Burn it Down, Troll Vomit, Verena, Clan Moulder Elite, etc.).

Papa

It is not gonna happen folks. And you do not need 3 of every card for any of the LCG's. And even if you are so inclined to do so, it is still a hell of a lot cheaper buying 3 of the core sets than buying a play set for any CCG out there. LCG's rule in that regard.

I would prefer that FFG releases separate expansions associated with order and destruction only similar to what they did with the AGoT expansions. These expansions should not only have new cards but also reprints and three copies of staple faction cards, staple neutral cards and especially cards with errata.

I wish they would specifically fix Traits on cards. I was really disappointed when there was a daemon subtheme for Chaos but no beastmen subtheme. I guess there are too many Beastmen cards now to errata them all, but I hope they release at least one beastmen legend in the future and hopefully beastmen heroes for Chaos.

It seems that the Dwarfs get an engineer subtheme beside the existing slayers in the Capital cycle. If each faction does receive 2 subthemes I wonder what subtheme Chaos will get beside daemons.

Thanks everyone for participing in this discussion.

For me, after this little brainstorm, the best thing would be idea of Gerson, who said that FFG can make some kind of Core Set Expansion which will consist those cards which were not 3x in core set.

It wont be a big problem for FFG, existing Core Sets still would be needed and ppl who fell in love with this game could just buy that expansion to start more competetive playing with others.

FFG is already on record as saying they would not print an expansion that bumps up the card count to 3 times of each card.

I think FFG should print the cards they only made 1-2 copies of in the core, deluxe and booster packs so that we all would have 3 of each card – perhaps in a deluxe with other cards.

I think they did it with the Innovation tactics card (I am not sure but I think there were one copy in the core rules and then had two copies in one of deluxe expansions).

So pretty please with suger on the top FFG I need more troll vomit.... That sounded sick… But its true

I noticed on Upcoming that Assault on Ulthuan is being reprinted and coming out on September. Does anyone know if it is coming with (much needed) errata?

Darth Hideous said:

Aryan said:

Actually i'm the sole player in the store. BUT I have plenty of opponents. Invasion allows one to easily make decks for every race. Another player collects all of Ctuhullu. 2-3 player AGoT and far more the Lotr LCG (including me also).
The advantage of the LCG's is, you have everything of everyone and can bring your decks along. Which I do.
So finding an opponent isn't that big a deal. HOWEVER the core set thing is annoying to say the least. And it does turn of a lot of players. Especially since the core sets barely offer balanced or useful decks compared to the longterm. Giving 3x of each card (and more of some basic ones) is crucial.

I actually would love to see some of the 'crucial' neutral cards return in further addons or a seperate little box.

I need a special edition with :

Warpstone + Village + all 1 / 2 cards from the core set .

It's hard to get "common" card in LCG, I mean cards that you want in any deck (Warptsone/village/Innovation/ ....). A set (or 2 3 different set) with those "core deck" cards + missing cards in 3 from other set would be nice.

As I will continue to play WH:I i will need such set cause I need those core deck cards in the same way that I need sleeves for my deck.

I have many decks, but can not play theim as I want cause I need to switch warpstone / village from deck to deck and I don't like to play with fake cards .

I guess a lot of whi have that same problem. It was even uglier before the restricted list but we usually use simple proxies when not playing tournament environment.

But we would surely buy a edition like Shindulus described. It's easy money from economical point of view. It's not about designing new cards, it's just printing them and publish them. I can imagine every 1-set buyer would buy it and it would allow a lot of whi players to join the game that now only play but don't buy packs because of the complicated structure in earlier cycles.

I'm kind of a new player but I fully agree on a pack release that consists of base cards practically needed in every deck like contested village.

I just don't want to buy 6 core sets so that I can build 6 equal faction decks.

would love to spend some money on this...just do it and take my money FFG

seriously...i want that.

I like the idea of the petition and i support it.

But here are my thoughts on the discussion. The argument "You don't need 3x copies of every card to enjoy the game!" has been dropped several times and that is not precisely right imho. I think only a small minority of players, that is starting warhammer invasion will not be interested in competetive play, tournaments, deck building etc. - these players just sit in the kitchen once in a while and they wont bother having every card 3x, ok. A vast majority will get to know the game through friends that are already playing on a higher level or they will find their way into competetive play anyhow. The first thing that has been said to me was: "You want 3 copies of everything " Also it would be the first thing that'll come into your mind when you see the powerful cards of the core set like troll vomit, verena etc.

And for the argument "you dont need 3x copies of everything to compete" -> of course you do! How are you supposed to even win a single game with your core set only when playing against someone (including the fact that someone is not an idiot) having a complete set. Loosing is not fun

My idea, and call me a dumbass if this is totally unthinkable, would be to give players the opportunity of customizing their own individual card packages for a fair price. Of course they should limit the assortment on such cards, say you could only chose cards that were with or before corruption cycle still making you buy the newer battlepacks. But that way everyone having a core set could individually complete the cards he would need. The price for a customized "battle pack" should then be a bit higher then for a normal battle pack. It would be a big effort, but in my eyes a great solution for the problem and also worthwile from an economical point of view.

You may already find dealers on the internet that will sell single cards (i dont know if this is legal), but it's not worth the price to pay 1$ or more for a single card + shipping. Instead FFG should say: Here you can customize a bp of 60 cards with every older card you need for lets say 20$. This would be great for new players, getting into the game, and also for professionals completing the last bits of their sets or getting more copies to have 6x of an important card. Deluxe expansions and newer bp's will still be sold like before.

Some people here already asked for a "Complement Set" including all missing examples (182 in core set, 120 in corruption cycle, and 65 in assault on ulthuan). I support this idea.

I'd rather see non-randomized draft kits with one of's from the core set mixed in.

I think that FFG can do a "Print on Demand" of all missing cards in Core and 1st Cycle, for me the best solution. What do you think?

Guys, I don't want to burst your bubble, but this is never going to happen. EVER. The game has rather poor balance even among core set decks. Printing 3x everything core set would kill that game for casual play. And why would FFG print missing cards from core set and corruption cycle if there are still people buying those x3? Just be happy that now we have 3 copies of every card in battlepacks and expansions. I didn't want to sound like an *******, especially when traffic on this forums is so low, but that's just truth

The core set should be redesigned, in that INSTEAD OF the limited-in-usefulness draft cards, place the missing 2nd and 3rd copies of the shorted cards in the set. Additionally, get rid of the worse-than-useless flimsy insert in the box to cut costs/materials, and reduce the box size to the dimensions of the rules booklet plus what ever depth is necessary for actual came contents. With card sleeves of all sizes these days, the capitals do not need to be boards; they can be cards themselves. I actually like this idea better because the capitals can be sleeved, more easily replaced if it comes to that, don't warp to the point that they spin every time you exhale/move your arm over them, don't chafe the ink off each other when in the box or slid past one another, and take up less space. They could even be dual-sided to make for less material and/or support alternate capital benefits or sub-race non-loyalty capitals.

For whatever reason, FFG decided to do up LCGs with board game packaging, with lots of empty space in the box. If the rule book was redesigned (and hopefully updated), with the boxed expansion size in mind, but without the useless inserts, the core set could be packaged with 3x all game cards it already contains in the same box dimensions as the subsequent boxed sets. As for Ulthuan, step one would be to drop the repeat Innovation cards.

As an owner of everything WH:I, including 3x core, Ulthuan, and all of Corruption, I would buy the 3x versions of all those right away, for the space it would save, and the reduction of time wasted finding cards I need in all those different yet repetitive boxes.

bitva said:

So legend cards can cover them completely

bitva said:

I'm speechless. You're probably one of the FFG best customers. Maybe if you buy everything one more time (including 3x Enemy Cycle, Morrslieb Cycle, Capital Cycle , March of the Damned and Legends like that Wytefang dude) FFG will consider your request and remove those awful Innovations from Assault on Ulthuan