So it looks like the WFRP seminar is next Thursday.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2514

They say they are talking about OoW, BFP, and an "unamed supplement" which I think most would assume is Slaanesh.

Watching last year's seminar, I'm starting to think that the next major step is to push the timeline forward and have something big happen ("the end times are at hand, and they are getting closer and closer and closer"). Perhaps that means bringing on the Storm of Chaos, or maybe they have something else in mind.

Thoughts?

For what it's worth when I read things like learning about the "state of this...game" and the fact that they will be detailing two old supplements and only one new supplement I do not feel confident about its future. Hope I'm getting the wrong impression.

Yeah that doesn't sound too heartening does it? ONE new product?

I am actually attending that seminar though. I'm sure I'll be slower in reporting than most of the people in there, but I'll post here if no one has yet. Here's hoping they have at least one more year of products for WFRP 3E in the hopper. If the worst should happen and Slaanesh is the farewell supplement, we'll at least have a complete pantheon of dark powers to choose from...

I have faith that the game is still being supported and assume that we will see another document that resembles Sifting Through the Shadows sometime in the near future. They still have loads of information to cover and feel that they will at least support this game for another year. I would hope that the support lasts longer and that we see at least 5-10 more products for the game but you never know. The RPG community at large has unfairly given WHFRP 3rd edition a bad rap and that has contributed to fewer people even knowing what it is that this game provides. I'm hoping that Jay will allay our fears before the summers out.

I doubt they will stop to support the game. As i see it, they are expanding all their lines, even the not so popular ones, this year all i see are new lines and products, i am sure they will continue the support, i dont see fantasy flight as a company that drops support to their games,my only concern is when will they release a similar preview as "shifting through shadows". Also i hope they release a bestiary, more bigger than the creatures vault, especially since the "storm of magic" expansion of GW is introducing some new monsters in the world.

30 minutes...

And two already published supplements in the program... Doesn't look good. Let's keep our hopes up though! Even if they decide to put the line into hiatus there are enough products to run full games anyway.

And I'm more and more thinking of Storm of Magic supplement.

I am dissappointed to read that, too. I already suspected that there ist something foul with the whole product line, because they haven't announced anything new in the last months, not even hints. And now they are not even advertising the seminar with a whole bunch of new products, but only with one supplement (Slaneesh) everybody already expected.

Oh, and this last yera I grew ever more fond of this game. And now I so desperately want another year of fine products ...

WOW! If this is the end of the line, that's going to be a major fail on FFG's part. Sure the game as it's problems, but dropping it? dang! I guess it really get's down to numbers and how many WFRP products they did sell in the end. Would be kind of sad, but I guess at that point the number of fan made "products" would increase and we would keep it alive this way.

But other than getting a Social Combat system in the Slaneesh expansion, there's not much that's really critical. I mean the adventure's have not been that great, they are all pretty much "monster of the week" stories and not much more than that. I guess the racial expansions would had been nice and expansions detailing various regions.

Anyways, let's all hope we're panicking for nothing, and there's going to be a "shifting through shadows" after Gencon...

I'm hoping it's only a "lull" not a "drop" situation.

Aside from 4th Ruinous power, there is the clear need to fill out the tops of the wizard and priest career progressions in order for the system to be "fully fledged".

valvorik said:

Yeah that's pretty much the only thing that would be hard to do has fan products, the rest would be easy to invent, just stronger careers and some sort of "upgrade" to rank 4 and 5

As far as I remember, at the end of GenCon 2010 seminar, Jay Little assured that FFG has dozens of awsome ideas waiting to be fleshed out, therefore I wouldn't be so sceptical about the future of WFRP 3rd.

doc_cthulhu said:

It is 30 minutes, but is ok. Warhammer 40000 products are getting 90 minutes, because they are 3 lines. Also , id onw know if the y are announcing any new product for them, well, other than black crusade. I really doubt that they will drop the line, it is more probable that they will launch less products, giving more focus to the 40000 lines for a while.

That's true. Noticed the "given time slot per game" after posting. Still it's weird they discuss older products.

Oh well. Hope we'll get something other than "we've sold Warhammer to company X who'll start it anew".

The announcement seems weighted to the 40KRP protion of their line, and that's most likely what they're placing emphasis on right now.

FFG, after all, has limited resources and cannot work on everything at once.

I strongly suspect that the pendulum will swing back the other way in due course.

...and truth be told, they have been putting out a lot of material for WFRP3, so a bit of consolidation before the next batch seems like a good course forward.

RE: 30 minutes

You guys realize that last year's was just over 40 minutes, right? Last time Jay had a lot of product coming out at once, so there was a lot to preview.

This year, I wouldn't expect as much to preview because there will probably be only one product ready enough to show anything, rather than 3 (6 if you count the guides).

Realizing is for people who can wait!

I've been thinking about it some more and although I still think some things are suspicious I'm not sure if they would have a 30 min seminar just to announce the line is ending after one more product.

Here's my speculation: They'll announce a slaanesh product and review khorne and blackfire. I hope you guys ask LOTS of questions.

I'm not sure how long they hold the license to this product, but that's probably more relevant to the WFRP discussion as opposed to their lifespan on 40k...

If they don't produce an elf and slaanesh product before they dump the license, I'd be surprised.

I hate to sound like a typical 2e grognard, but I've got all the background material i could ever want (and anyone can buy the pdf SIGMAR'S HEIRS) and i don't care for miniature card maps, miniature monster cards, or actually any more cards/cardstock that isn't crucial to the game. I'd much rather see more content and playtime than more play gadgets.

Athough an Araby, Lustria, Darklands and Naggaroth product would be interesting to glance at for 5 minutes, it's not like I'm going to run a campaign there and I'm imagining that it would just suck up valuable resources that could otherwise have been put into full-fledged old-world campaigns.

If I had my druthers:

Slaanesh (including section on nobles, rogues and a lot of new advanced careers..and PC organizations)

Elf (wood, high and dark all combined)

Campaign 1 10-12 nights worth of scenarios - in Empire with some expansion into one of the neighboring countries. This would be a good chance to do an empire gazetteer.

Campaign 2 8-10 nights worth of scenarios - heading east beyond the world's edge mountains. This would be a good chance to do an expanded world gazetteer

More convention suppor

jh

Emirikol said:

I understand what you want, but shouldn't the company think of those that just got weened on WFRP on this edition?

I have had all the editions of WFRP, but when a company has received the licence I believe they try to make it their own with hopefully complete information without their customer base resorting to purchasing previous material.

-ashe-

Absolutely, but a singular reproduction of Sigmar's Heirs would be the main course. If they could do more with words and less with cardboard, perhaps the book could be thicker than in some of the offerings of late. This edition has done more with the imperial background that did the previous edition, but I'm not expecting anything in the way of a world encyclopedia or please god not another book padded with Kislevian marriage and birth customs...

I think the pressing issue will be to get people playing and continuing to play this game. Bibliophiles don't convert into viral spending, and for a company as savvy as FFG, it doesn't make sense to produce stuff that's not going to be considered 'essential' to more than one member of a game group imho.

jh

Whatwhatwhat???

News! Pretty please!

Pssst.

The previous seminar was barely 40 minutes long. There aren't any real big dramas to be taken from the length of this seminar.

Anyway, I'm eagerly looking forward to the seminar. I'll hunt for some details here, and I'll be waiting for the vids to (eventually) appear on this site.

At the point this seminar was announced, Lure of Power was un-announced. Now they've mentioned that, will there be ANYTHING new spoken of in this seminar?

I bloody hope so...

That said, FFG have so many great products coming out, I'm sure my wallet could do with a break.

Since I got the Core box and some supplements last summer as birthday presents, I am quite insane about this game. Since my childhood and some of my teenage years I wasn't that excited about some product announcements for a game. That's a funny thing. Waiting on some reports from the seminar I don't feel adult at all .

I know what you mean

I'm going to set up camp in this thread, unless someone on the ground has a twitter feed

I vote Reckless Dice send a reporter with live twitter coverage next year!