Question about Uniques

By Azarith_Stryffe, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Hey guys, you've all be so helpful to me, so I will call upon your amazing knowledge once again.

Question about Uniques, I made 2 Stark house decks, because of the LoW expansion, and I was teaching my friend how to play, we were playing against each other, now with the same house we're obviously going to have some of the same characters. Here is the question. My direwolves deck uses Shaggydog and Robb Stark, both are uniques, Shaggydog being an attachment. If he plays Robb Stark from the CS, since it's unique, does that stop me from playing him? I know if he dies I cannot play him, and same thing with Shaggydog. Please help me ^_^

Since it is in your dead pile, you cannot play that character anymore (as long as he stays in this dead pile)

But nothing prevents you from playing your unique card (any form it has; attachment, character, location..). So in your example, you can play your Robb LoW while your opponent has already played Robb CS.

The only thing you're not allowed to do is steal the unique card of your opponent if you already control a unique card with the same title on your side.

(if you're a Stark player this is something you could be tempted to do ^^)

Kordovan said:

Since it is in your dead pile, you cannot play that character anymore (as long as he stays in this dead pile)

But nothing prevents you from playing your unique card (any form it has; attachment, character, location..). So in your example, you can play your Robb LoW while your opponent has already played Robb CS.

The only thing you're not allowed to do is steal the unique card of your opponent if you already control a unique card with the same title on your side.

(if you're a Stark player this is something you could be tempted to do ^^)

Now if he is in play by both of us, and his Robb Stark gets killed, does that have any bearing on my Robb Stark that's already in the field?

Azarith_Stryffe said:

Now if he is in play by both of us, and his Robb Stark gets killed, does that have any bearing on my Robb Stark that's already in the field?

I'll just quote the Core Set rules, because they are pretty straight-forward:

Some cards have a banner icon next to their title. Such cards are unique. Each player may only have one copy of a unique card in play. Thus, you cannot put into play or take control of a unique card which you already own or control (except for duplicates, see below).

You also may not play or take control of a unique card if there is a copy of that card in your dead pile, or if your opponent has taken control of another copy of that unique card from you. [Emphasis added]

The rules talk of your dead pile. An opponent's dead pile is only releveant to that opponent.

To make sure everything is clear here:

  • Different players can control copies of the same unique card at the same time.
  • What unique cards your opponent controls has nothing to do with which unique cards you can/do control.
  • What unique cards are in your opponent's dead pile has nothing to do with which unique cards you can/do control.

Ultimately, it's all very thematic. If you need a story element to explain the fact that the rules for unique cards are all about individual players without any interaction or limitation on what other players can do, think of them as impostors. My factions says "Robb Stark stands with us." Your faction says "No, Robb Stark stands with us; your guy is am impostor." If my guy dies, that doesn't prevent your faction's "real" Robb Stark. If my faction's Robb Stark dies before yours takes the field, it doesn't stop you from saying "the guy that died was an impostor."

The only thing your claim that my Robb Stark is an impostor stops you from doing is "taking control" of my guy and saying "Robb Starks stands with us, side by side with Robb Stark," or "we watched the real Robb Stark die, but here he is again." That also fits the way the rules of unique work in the game because you cannot take control of an opponent's unique card you already have in play or in your dead pile.

Bottom line: your uniques and your opponent's uniques have no interaction by virtue of being uniques with the same title - unless you try to change control of the characters. (Many people used to "Legend" cards in other games tend to try to make AGoT "Unique" work the same way.)

Thank you all so much,. really helped me out.