Hi! I'm pretty new to the game, and I had a quick question: If I have a card that takes control of a character who happens to be kneeling, is that character still kneeling after I take control of it, or is it then standing? I assume that it's considered to still be kneeling.
Taking control of a kneeling character.
Aughndibi said:
Hi! I'm pretty new to the game, and I had a quick question: If I have a card that takes control of a character who happens to be kneeling, is that character still kneeling after I take control of it, or is it then standing? I assume that it's considered to still be kneeling.
Correct. If a card changes control, it does just that. Nothing else happens to it.
Let's say that the character chosen is still standing.
Can I pay for an ability by kneeling it before the resolution of whatever ability or event that takes control of this character?
I guess I am comparing it to the Moribund state where you can still use the character's ability or to pay for another ability before it leaves play.
Your only chance to kneel the character before losing control of it would be during the save/cancel response portion of the player action window. After that, the ability resolves and then you handle passives and then other responses. The character would already switch control before the passives/responses though so you couldn't kneel him then. Also, there is no chance to use any non-response ability until the action window for the control changing effect is over.
Bomb said:
Can I pay for an ability by kneeling it before the resolution of whatever ability or event that takes control of this character?
I'd think not, unless you use that character for an effect that cancels the control-change-effect, which is not really the premise of the question. Unless cancelled, every effect resolves completely before the next one is triggered.
Saturnine said:
Unless cancelled, every effect resolves completely before the next one is triggered.
The important point is that this is true for everything. Response #1 resolves completely before Response #2 can be triggered, as well. Short of using a "save" or "cancel" effect, you cannot interrupt the initiation and the resolution (and thus "do stuff" before something resolves) of any effect in this game. There are no "stacks" or "chains" of effects in this game like you find in some other games.
I remember having a hard time with this as well, as I wanted to imagine a "moribund state: opponent's control" where I could still use the character to pay for a response. But as indicated, unless they're part of a save/cancel effect in the same window that the "take control" effect occurs, you don't have an option.
Maester_LUke said:
I remember having a hard time with this as well, as I wanted to imagine a "moribund state: opponent's control" where I could still use the character to pay for a response. But as indicated, unless they're part of a save/cancel effect in the same window that the "take control" effect occurs, you don't have an option.
ktom said:
Maester_LUke said:
I remember having a hard time with this as well, as I wanted to imagine a "moribund state: opponent's control" where I could still use the character to pay for a response. But as indicated, unless they're part of a save/cancel effect in the same window that the "take control" effect occurs, you don't have an option.
Well, that and "moribund" doesn't apply here since cards only become moribund when they leave play. Cards that change control do not leave play, so they would never go through a moribund state.
I apparently failed to type the "... because there is no moribund if the card isn't leaving play" clause after my point about why I originally had trouble grasping it. ~I was like, why is ktom re-typing what I clearly just typed (but only in my head).
Maester_LUke said:
~I was like, why is ktom re-typing what I clearly just typed (but only in my head).