OK, I'm gonna put this in a very simple scenario:

Say player A attacks me in military challenge with a character with 3 STR and keyword 'Deadly', and his claim value is 1. I kneel one of my characters (2 STR) who doesn't have 'Deadly' to defend. Apparently I lose. Then, I need to satisfy claim value before resolve 'Deadly', so I choose to kill that 2 STR defender. Okay, now it's time to resolve 'Deadly'. So what... I don't even have any participating character left (I just killed the only one).

So my questions are:

1. Is the scenario above legal?

2. If the scenario is legal, then 'Deadly' in military challenge is not tha powerful, is it?

Thank you for your help guys!

ktei2008 said:

ktei2008 said:

Thank you for your help.

Frankly speaking, for a very long time, I've been playing this in a wrong way. We used to resolve 'Deadly' first and then satisfy claim value. So in this case, I'd always been thinking that 'Deadly' is too powerful in military challenge! Anyway, now I understand, thank you again.

So what if it is a one claim challenge, 1 attacker with deadly, 2 defenders with no deadly. I have no other characters. Does one die to deadly and one die to claim?

jmccarthy said:

Yep. The one that doesn't die for claim must die for Deadly if they are both participating.

But that's kind of the point here.

If there is one attacker with Deadly, you only have two characters total in play, and you cannot win the challenge as the defender, why would you defend with both characters? You know you're going to lose the military challenge and one of your character therefore must die for claim. Why would you put the second character in the way of Deadly by declaring both as defenders, ensuring that both will die? In the situation you describe, it is entirely up to the defender whether he is going to lose both of his characters (one to claim and one to Deadly) or just one (to claim) by his choice of whether or not to declare both as defenders. Short of some "sneaky" event that increases the STR of the attacker after the defending player declares both characters as defenders (thinking that they would win on defense and only be out the one character to Deadly anyway), most players will not choose to kill two of their characters when the other choice is to kill only one.

The situation was that my opponent was attacking with Black Ears: "Deadly. Challenges: Discard 1 card from your hand to choose 1 character participating in the same challenge with Black Ears. If you have fewer cards in hand than each opponent, remove that character from the challenge.(Limit once per challenge)".

I wanted to keep the challenge from being unopposed. Apparently that requires killing two characters. Ouch.

jmccarthy said:

If your opponent uses Black Ears to remove a character from the challenge, the removed character is no long eligible as a target for deadly. So in this case, you would really still lose only one character (unless you chose the one removed from the challenge as claim).

the1andonlime said:

Followup question. Deadly is so confusing.

Military challenge, my opponent had deadly, I don't. I defend with Wex Pyke, and lose the challenge. Claim 1.

I choose Wex to die for claim. I have Risen From the Sea (Response: Save a character from being killed. Then attach this card to the saved character (counts as a Condition attachment with the text 'Attached character gets +1 STR.') in my hand.

Can I play Risen at some point in the timing cycle to prevent Wex from dying from claim/deadly? Or would I need two saves for poor Wex?

Unfortunately, you would have to save Wex twice (or not choose him for claim) if you wanted him to survive the challenge. Saving a character does not remove that character from the challenge (this is in contrast to, for example, Magic where the regeneration mechanic removes a creature from combat).