Would either of the following trigger Killer of the Wounded...

Forever Burning on a STR 0 Character

Aegons Legacy with 0 cards in shadow

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oshi said:

In the case of forever burning is a yes. You put a -1 but the minimun strenght will be anyway 0. If for some other effect you opponent play a +2 str to that caracter you should sum all the "bonus" 0(strength)-1(burning)+2 (opponent's effect)=1. So the -1 is applied anyway.

About the aegons ... i probably tell you yes. It is a -0, but i am not 100% sure about it, so i expect a better answer about it.

oshi said:

No, you didn't reduce character's STR.

Oshi is correct for "Forever Burning." Lowering a character's STR is defined by the application of a new "-X STR" modifier, not by the final effective STR of the character. So even if the character's STR is 0, you apply a new -1 STR modifier with Forever Burning (even though the effective STR is rounded up to 0 after the modifier is added). So that works.

However, adding in a "-0 STR" modifier with Aegon's Legacy wouldn't work because, as Rogue30 points out, you didn't really add in a modifier at all. Certainly not an effective one. So that doesn't work.

ktom said:

There's no overlap between this concept and "Paying 0 gold is still paying gold" for the purposes of not being cancellable by Paper Shield? How does that logic differ?

Maester_LUke said:

For one thing, the rules specify it for cost.

For another thing, you are mixing cost and effect. The rule for cost has never applied to effects. If we extend the "0 cost" rule to get "adding a -0 modifier is still adding a negative modifier/lowering STR," why wouldn't we get "killing 0 characters is still killing characters" for Responses like "Die For Your King!," "Deadly Khalassar," or "Anguy"?

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How about Maegi Crone?

Response: After a character's strength is reduced to 0, draw 1 card.

would reducing a str 0 character trigger her? or a str 1 character whose str has already been reduced to 0, getting further reduced.

oshi said:

No.

With the Crone, you are reducing to 0 in order to trigger. If you are already at or below 0, adding in a new -X STR modifier would be considered "reducing the character's STR," but not "to 0." The Crone not only cares that a new -X STR modifier is added, but that the STR was greater than 0 "before" that new modifier was added, and 0 "after."

Look at it this way: can you reduce a character's STR to 3 if it's STR is already 3?