Questions about Other World situations

By Musha Shukou, in Arkham Horror Second Edition

1. Can a delayed investigator in an Other World location cast Find Gate?

2. A blue Other World encounter from the base game that occurs in the "Other" location reads as follows: "You've completed your task, but now you must escape before the portal closes! Pass a Speed (-2) check to return to Arkham. If you fail, you are lost in time and space. In either event, you automatically close the gate you entered through." The card doesn't specify, but you can still take the gate as a trophy, correct? Also, in situations like this, can you still spend the 5 clue tokens to seal the gate?

1. The character still gets a movement phase just no movement points so I can't see why you wouldn't be able to.

2. I asked the same question here . I think that you would get to do everything that goes along with sealing a gate since the card says you close the gate but everyone else thinks otherwise.

On #2, the common response is as follows ~ you're satisfying the requirement on the Other World Encounter Phase and Closing or Sealing Gates may take place during the Arkham Encounter Phase so, unfortunately you may not close or seal the gate.

The Professor said:

On #2, the common response is as follows ~ you're satisfying the requirement on the Other World Encounter Phase and Closing or Sealing Gates may take place during the Arkham Encounter Phase so, unfortunately you may not close or seal the gate.

Well, as for number 2, you may close the gate because the card allows you to do so, but yeah, you cannot seal it.

As per number 1, while delayed you may not cast movement spells. So no find gate, or whatelse. This was clarified several times in the past!

The Professor said:

On #2, the common response is as follows ~ you're satisfying the requirement on the Other World Encounter Phase and Closing or Sealing Gates may take place during the Arkham Encounter Phase so, unfortunately you may not close or seal the gate.

I personally don't see why you can't seal the gate in the Mythos phase. It usually happens then but there are a lot of cards that make things happen out of sequence and the rules state that any time you close a gate you may seal it. I am occasionally wrong though. Pray to our great lord Yog-Sothoth that the almighty FAQ arrives soon.

Julia said:

As per number 1, while delayed you may not cast movement spells. So no find gate, or whatelse. This was clarified several times in the past!

Where?

Not trying to be a donkey just curious.

Julia, thank you my friend ~ I forgot to accoount for the wording on the card...of course, in this instance the Investigator may close the gate.

arkhamresident said:


Julia said:




As per number 1, while delayed you may not cast movement spells. So no find gate, or whatelse. This was clarified several times in the past!





Where?


Not trying to be a donkey just curious.



Yep, no probs. You can refer to this thread here , reply n.1, where Tibs explains very well (as usual) how exactly Find gate works (if you search the forum for "find gate delayed" you'll find tons of thread saying more or less the same).


Generally speaking, during all those years the general board consensum was towards the fact you cannot cast any spell requiring to be cast during the Movement Phase if you're delayed. The only thing you're allowed to do during movement while delayed is to stand the investigator's marker up. And then fight monsters eventually standing in his locations (this was said to solve the "Children of the goat" delaying problem)


Besides, it was more or less explicitly said that the coming FAQ will confirm this

arkhamresident said:

The Professor said:

On #2, the common response is as follows ~ you're satisfying the requirement on the Other World Encounter Phase and Closing or Sealing Gates may take place during the Arkham Encounter Phase so, unfortunately you may not close or seal the gate.

I personally don't see why you can't seal the gate in the Mythos phase. It usually happens then but there are a lot of cards that make things happen out of sequence and the rules state that any time you close a gate you may seal it. I am occasionally wrong though. Pray to our great lord Yog-Sothoth that the almighty FAQ arrives soon.

This was said basically because the rules section on the core book giving instructions for closing / sealing gates requires you to be on the gate, with an explorer marker during the AE Phase. This was clarified also by Kevin Wilson. He was asked why Elder Signs were labelled as "any phase" items. His answer was (emphasis mine)

Elder Signs (12/12/06)
Those items are used when you are closing or sealing a gate, and you can only do that during the Arkham Encounter phase . The phase label on the items is just imprecise, that's all.

you can cross-check this on the sticky thread "Official answers by Kevin Wilson" on the main page of this forum (reply n.1). Thus community consesum was towards the idea is that in very special occasions, some cards allow you to close or seal gates in different moment of the game, but you can do that only according to the instructions on the card. If the card states you can seal (like the passing condition on Silas personal story, for example, making you seal a gate during Upkeep), then fine. If the card says "close", that's the only thing you can do. Unfortunately

The Professor said:

Julia, thank you my friend ~ I forgot to accoount for the wording on the card...of course, in this instance the Investigator may close the gate.

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Julia said:

arkhamresident said:

The Professor said:

On #2, the common response is as follows ~ you're satisfying the requirement on the Other World Encounter Phase and Closing or Sealing Gates may take place during the Arkham Encounter Phase so, unfortunately you may not close or seal the gate.

I personally don't see why you can't seal the gate in the Mythos phase. It usually happens then but there are a lot of cards that make things happen out of sequence and the rules state that any time you close a gate you may seal it. I am occasionally wrong though. Pray to our great lord Yog-Sothoth that the almighty FAQ arrives soon.

This was said basically because the rules section on the core book giving instructions for closing / sealing gates requires you to be on the gate, with an explorer marker during the AE Phase. This was clarified also by Kevin Wilson. He was asked why Elder Signs were labelled as "any phase" items. His answer was (emphasis mine)

Elder Signs (12/12/06)
Those items are used when you are closing or sealing a gate, and you can only do that during the Arkham Encounter phase . The phase label on the items is just imprecise, that's all.

you can cross-check this on the sticky thread "Official answers by Kevin Wilson" on the main page of this forum (reply n.1). Thus community consesum was towards the idea is that in very special occasions, some cards allow you to close or seal gates in different moment of the game, but you can do that only according to the instructions on the card. If the card states you can seal (like the passing condition on Silas personal story, for example, making you seal a gate during Upkeep), then fine. If the card says "close", that's the only thing you can do. Unfortunately

And maybe these answers collected by Musha will cancel all that was said before

Musha, how do you do this? There are people here waiting *years* before getting an answer, and you seem to simply ask and have them.. ::shocked::

Julia said:

Julia said:

arkhamresident said:

The Professor said:

On #2, the common response is as follows ~ you're satisfying the requirement on the Other World Encounter Phase and Closing or Sealing Gates may take place during the Arkham Encounter Phase so, unfortunately you may not close or seal the gate.

I personally don't see why you can't seal the gate in the Mythos phase. It usually happens then but there are a lot of cards that make things happen out of sequence and the rules state that any time you close a gate you may seal it. I am occasionally wrong though. Pray to our great lord Yog-Sothoth that the almighty FAQ arrives soon.

This was said basically because the rules section on the core book giving instructions for closing / sealing gates requires you to be on the gate, with an explorer marker during the AE Phase. This was clarified also by Kevin Wilson. He was asked why Elder Signs were labelled as "any phase" items. His answer was (emphasis mine)

Elder Signs (12/12/06)
Those items are used when you are closing or sealing a gate, and you can only do that during the Arkham Encounter phase . The phase label on the items is just imprecise, that's all.

you can cross-check this on the sticky thread "Official answers by Kevin Wilson" on the main page of this forum (reply n.1). Thus community consesum was towards the idea is that in very special occasions, some cards allow you to close or seal gates in different moment of the game, but you can do that only according to the instructions on the card. If the card states you can seal (like the passing condition on Silas personal story, for example, making you seal a gate during Upkeep), then fine. If the card says "close", that's the only thing you can do. Unfortunately

And maybe these answers collected by Musha will cancel all that was said before

Musha, how do you do this? There are people here waiting *years* before getting an answer, and you seem to simply ask and have them.. ::shocked::

lol. That's been said to me before. I do end up waiting a few weeks sometimes if that's any consolation...

Musha Shukou said:

lol. That's been said to me before. I do end up waiting a few weeks sometimes if that's any consolation...

Not properly. I've been waiting for some answers regarding Fury of Dracula for something like 12-14 months now... We all should gather some questions and then politely ask you to ask.. ::laughter::

I'm glad we had answers, so thx!