Greetings, fellow user

While I was doing some preperation for a session, I stumbled about the following description of the Skill Scholastic Lore (Imperial Creed) (DHcr, P.106)

"May be used to conduct rituals for others" :

Funny thing is, that all the rituals that are now actually conductable (siehe BoM, p. 126) use Common Lore (Imperial Creed)

I know start wonder if

a) this is a typo in BoM (question already brought to the attention of FFG Rules Question Team)
b) the rituals conductable through Scholastic Lore are covered in Daemon Hunters (DH)
c) the entry stated above is simply misplaced / not to be taken serious in game terms / only regards "fluffy rituals" (i.e. marriages, funerals, etc.)

What is your opinion?

If you are among the few that already own DH, could you answer if the Scholastic Lore (Imperial Creed) is of any use their? Thank you!

These guys ARE quick! Official answer

Hi!

Nope! Scholastic Lore is referring to different rituals, ones that don't really have an in game effect. This covers things like child naming or proper burials.

So, no game effect unless Daemonhunter has something about it...

and perhaps deeper mistory of the creed can be understood (its whatever the gm makes it too be) its more of a bookworm skill then anything els

Yeah, sure. But I still struggle to see a mission (or even an official FFG adventure) where this skill will make a difference.

This is one of those "make a Very Easy (+30) Scholastic Lore (X) or Challenging (+0) Common Lore (X)" things.

We just assume that Common Lore [Creed] gives you knowledge of things like feast days observed in different parts of the sector/different words,would probably include knoledge of the most popular prayers for different events, pilrgaimage sites. It seems like the Lore skill for the "outsider looking in," like a lay brother or a pious peasant.

Scholastic Lore [Creed] we assume means knowledge of Ecumenial/Ecclesiarcan counsisl, revisions to the Imperial Creed, alternate forms of acceptable worship, the process of canonisation, how are ecclesiarchal officials apointed... in addition to the "arcane" knowledge required to lead worships in prayer, etc. It's like Medieval Catholic priests who conducted all church communications in their own Chritianised latin and who had their own little internal traditions the rest of the world was not (generally) meant to know.

My assassin character has both because if you're going to pass yourself off as a cleric (to kill heretic Ecclesiarchy members, of course) then you need more than a lay person's knowledge not to blow your cover. At timer. the GM has allowed me to roll both my Common Lore and Schol;astic Lore for the same roll. Useful, but GM's perogative, I guess.

Macharias the Mendicant said:

Whilst I agree to the basic idea of differentiation (outsider vs professional), I should point out that some of these things would rather belong to the Common Lore [Ecclesiarchy] skill. As far as the Imperial Creed is concerned, I guess I would simply say that one is the stuff you hear actively proclaimed on the streets and in the temples, whereas the other is only recorded and archived in the vast librariums of the Church.

In essence, it's Practice (Common) vs Theory (Scholastic). There might even be a Forbidden Lore [Creed] skill for those things that are kept sealed...
... though you might argue that this already exists in the form of Forbidden Lore [Heresy].

There's some overbleed between the skills which may cause confusion when it comes to certain details (ironically very fitting, considering we're talking about the Ecclesiarchy here), but generally it shouldn't be too hard to put stuff into one of these categories. The core rulebook already gives a good idea of what would belong where @ Common vs Scholastic. The overbleed also allows for a bit of compatibility, though - the idea of substituting one skill with the other was already mentioned.