It might just be im not reading it carefully enough but can anyone help me with the approximate pricing of a Adeptus Arbites' Cyber Mastiff (IHB pg. 143)

would be and what rank arbitor would probably be able to obtain one.

Look on Table: 5-5 Servitors and Familiars on page 145 of IH. It cost 3000 Thrones to turn a animal into a cyber-creature, but this is not the price of the animal and then there is a list of other upgrades you can purchase on top of turning it into a cyber-creature.

Ok so for example sake let's say that a dog cost 10 Thrones, so look on page 349 of the DH core rule book for the dogs profile.

So the example of the cyber-creature in the IH has the dog with Tracking (Int +20%), that cost 1000 Thrones for skill "Tracking", then another 1000 Thrones for "Tracking +10%", and then another 1000 Thrones for "Tracking +20%" for a total of 3000 Thrones for the Tracking skill at +20%

On to Talents, the cyber-dog has Fearless, so that will cost 250 Thornes

Now Traits, the cyber-dog starts with Machine (2) as per the initial cost of the animal is to be a cyber-creature, so to bump it up another 2 point would cost 500 Thrones for each point for a total of another 1000 Thrones.

Armour Plated is a Trait and I would price it as a talent so that would be 500 Thrones

Brutal Charge is a Trait and I would price it as a talent so that would be 500 Thrones

Enhanced Senses (smell) is a cybernetic senses so for a human it would cost 2250 Thrones but for the dog it would cost 4500 Thrones.

IR vision implants are cybernetic senses so for a human it would cost 2250 Thrones but for the dog it would cost 4500 Thrones.

Filter plugs are cybernetic senses so for a human it would cost 2250 Thrones but for the dog it would cost 4500 Thrones.

So for the total cost for your Adeptus Arbites Cyber-Mastiff is 21,750 Thrones for all the upgrades and add on another 10 Thrones as the example price of the dog.

I think that is mostly correct, if someone wants to check that out for me thanks. I have to say that is one expensive cyber-dog.

I would say that at least some of those traits are innate to the dog that's modified. For example, you wouldn't need to teach the dog tracking.

I used the template of "Walking Creatures" on page 349 bottom right corner of the page and it didn't have there, and it does specify using it as a template as a dog. DarkArbitor asked:

DarkArbitor said:

And I gave him a ballpark figure, so feel free to do what you want with adjusting the price and what the dog starts with and doesn't start with.

Now I don't know about the Tracking thing I still say you have to teach the dog to track to begin with, if say it was a wild dog yeah sure maybe but a domestic dog I have to say that it has to be trained. And then on top of it the cyber dog has a +20% to the tracking skill which is another 2000 Thrones is kinda a lot to say that dog just starts with Tracking +20%. If it were me personally I would go half way, I would say that the dog starts with tracking at +10% and that you'd have to pay for the extra +10% which is 1000 Thrones. I say Tracking +10% because all the other skills except Swim are at a +10% modifier.

Oh and I forgot that the errata said that the dog has double team talent, so that's another 500 Thrones, making it a total of 22,250 Thrones.

Now with Nigh7gaun7 feeling that the dog should start with the Tracking skill at a +20%, that makes the Adeptus Arbites Cyber-Mastiff is 19,250 Thrones

Now with my compromise saying that the dog starts off with a Tracking skill at a +10% and has to pay for the +10% upgrade for 1000 Thrones, the Adeptus Arbites Cyber-Mastiff comes to 20,250 Thrones.

Now at what rank an Arbitor can get a Adeptus Arbites Cyber-Mastiff I would say as soon as they can afford one at that price, but if I was running the game I wouldn't have a character spend that much money on that and I would give it to them at rank 5 or rank 6 maybe. I mean for 20 grand in Thrones you are giving up a lot of great stuff for a robot dog that in one battle could end up as scape metal. I like the fluff of the dog so that is why I would kinda give it to the Arbitrator at whatever rank then have them purchase one of their own, even in the description it's only for the rich that can afford these cyber-creatures.

Whoever's selling these things to the Arbites has got to be offering a package deal or something. As it is that dog costs more than 4 energy blades.

The DH crafting rules and in-game economy are effectively worthless and GMs ought to just make up better prices. Because there's no way something as simple as a cybermastiff (in an Imperium that uses billions of servitors) costs more than FOUR energy blades, which are incredibly rare and not even fully understood by the mechanicus magi that make them.

Given how Cyber Mastiffs seem to be fairly common in the Arbites, I'd say it's fine for a higher ranking Arbitrator to just requisition one or a lower ranking one to perhaps borrow one from a local Precinct (though I seem to recall that handlers for the dogs are specifically trained, so maybe not). I'd only start hitting the Acolytes with major prices if a non-Arbitrator wanted one.

That price you came up with is preposterous, anyways. No fairly common attack dog should cost the same as crates full of bolters.

@numb3rc: The price is only perposterous as the rules you play by, so my advice is don't play by the rules.

I know the price is outrages, but feel free to double check the prices in the IH on page 143 and 147. Now I calculated the price for something being sold that doesn't mean that is the actual cost of manufacturing them, that it's just the price to sell them. To make them on a mass scale could cost as much as say 500 Thrones a dog or 100 Thrones a dog.

I say take what is given and come up with your own stuff for prices and other things as such, rules in these books are guidelines at best and suggestions at worse.

I believe you could probably get a very big dog with tracking +20 and double team and it would probably cost about 200 geld. They'd also have enhanced senses (smell and hearing) as standard. Filter plugs aren't cybernetics, it's just the equipment. So that would be 9750 + dog + equipment.

But bare in mind that the rules for having some-one create a servitor are for making entirely custom servitors, that could as easily be the same cost to make your cyber-catachan devil (obviously animal costs would vary tremendously).

As cyber mastifs are practically mass produced I'd advise ditching these rules altogether, they probably should have included the cost.

Cool thanks for the info and great idea on the letting high level Arb requisition one since i think a regular Arb would have die of old age (LOL) before he could afford one of these.

DarkArbitor said:

Yes, even with assuming they get a hefty discount for mass production (say /3 like a common quality item compared to a good quality) Arbitrators charging for it just seems strange when they are so regimentalised (assuming the character is a proper Adeptus Arbite) and so well connected with the Inquisition.

You asked previously about what level an Arbite would need to be, well obviously up to you but at rank 5 they are fully fledged Aritrators which is pretty powerful. In my game I used the picking up of the appropriate Peer to start getting some of their Adeptus's lewts.

Face Eater said:

Maybe you could even come up with a list of requisitionable gear similar to the one the SoB uses.

• Rank 1: Combat Shotgun and Enforcer Carapace
• Rank 2: Shockmaul, Suppression Shield
• Rank 3: Enforcer Carapace Helmet, Executioner Rounds (1 clip per mission)
• Rank 4: Locke-pattern Boltgun
• Rank 5 : Cybermastiff

Maybe come up with some "point buy" system that refreshes after each assignment to have the player pick his gear according to the mission. Might also be affected by reknown/standing/etc.

Lynata said:

Like stuff like this in my games as it A) allows people to comply with the archetypes B) Goes some way to offsetting the horrible poorness of DH characters.

I'd say they'd get a Bolt pistol before a Boltgun. It was usual before and, if the rumors are true, when they turn up in the new SoB codex they'll be the melee troops with Bolt pistols and Shock mauls (plus obviously shotguns, Suppression Shields etc as options).

Face Eater said:

Hmm, maybe... I've got that "officers get pistols, troops get rifles" thinking stuck in my head, and the SoB gets her pistol only after the bolter as well. My gut says this sounds like something for a Proctor or Judge instead of being a common Enforcer sidearm. Then again, my knowledge of the Arbites is not as extensive as that of the Guard or Ecclesiarchy, so take everything I post on the subject with a grain of salt!

Either way, good that you mentioned it, for after looking around a bit on the web it does appear as if they use bolt pistols as well, so they would belong into the list somewhere . As well as the heavy stubber and a flamethrower, it seems.

Oh, also agree with both points you mentioned regarding such "requisition lists", of course.