A few questions from a new player

By Cypress2, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Just bought the game yesterday, and had a chance to look it over and give it a trial run tonight, but a few things were unclear to me (sorry if these are super common or plain dumb questions)

First: Agenda cards. I don't seem to have any in my Core set. Is this normal? If not, what should I do? If so, then I guess I'll just keep my eyes open for them in expansions.

Second: Plot cards. I was unclear on exactly how plots are chosen during the plot phase - does each player look through their remaining unused plot card and choose one they think is best for the scenario, or are they turned over at random each turn?

Third: Attachments. I could use some general clarification of attachments in general. My understanding of them now is that they cannot be played in the Setup phase. When played during a Marshal phase, I'm assuming they must be played directly onto a legal target character. However, once attached to a character, can the attachment be moved to another character later?

I appreciate all your help and patience, guys. Even with the few questions I had, the game was a lot of fun and I look forward to playing again.

Welcome!

Cypress said:

Agenda cards.

You will find them in deluxe boxes and chapter packs. There are few databases where you can check their contents. One of such site you can find in my signature.

Cypress said:

does each player look through their remaining unused plot card and choose one they think is best for the scenario?

Yep.

Cypress said:

once attached to a character, can the attachment be moved to another character later?

No. You need specific card effect that allows you to do that.

All questions answered, beautifully done! Thanks so much, that clears up everything, I think.

Couple more questions, actually...

What, exactly, is the difference between the dead pile and the discard pile?

There was a conflict in one of my games that revolved around the use of a specific Targaryen attachment with Ambush (it reduced a character's STR by 2 and killed it if its STR became 0) during the Challenges phase. The Targaryen player used the card after the defending player (Baratheon) declared his defender to basically kill that defender. The Baratheon player argued that the challenge would be resolved beforre the attachment was resolved, whereas the Targaryen player argued that it resolves immediately, before the challenge is resolved (much like in Magic: The Gathering, when an instant is played to kill a blocking monster before damage is dealt). Which player had the right of it?

Does Fantasy Flight have any plans to make more resin House Cards?

Dead pile and discard pile are pretty much self-explanatory. Cards that are killed during play go onto the dead pile. Cards that are discarded go to the discard pile.

For all questions on the timing structure, I strongly suggest you download the FAQ from the support section of this website. It includes a detailed flowchart and breakdown of the timing structure. It's a bit intimidating at first, but once you get the hang of it, it'll answer sooo many questions that may come up during play. Best thing is to print out a copy and always keep it at hand when you play.

Anyhow, Flame-Kissed (the attachment in question) kills the character before the challenge resolution begins.

As for the house cards, none have been announced, but I'm sure FFG will eventually complete the set for all the houses.

Cypress said:

There was a conflict in one of my games that revolved around the use of a specific Targaryen attachment with Ambush (it reduced a character's STR by 2 and killed it if its STR became 0) during the Challenges phase. The Targaryen player used the card after the defending player (Baratheon) declared his defender to basically kill that defender. The Baratheon player argued that the challenge would be resolved beforre the attachment was resolved, whereas the Targaryen player argued that it resolves immediately, before the challenge is resolved (much like in Magic: The Gathering, when an instant is played to kill a blocking monster before damage is dealt). Which player had the right of it?

Basic anatomy of a challenge:

  1. Players can play "Challenges" or "Any Phase" actions
  2. The attacking player announces the challenge type and declares attackers
  3. Players can play "Challenges" or "Any Phase" actions
  4. The attacking player assigns Stealth and the defending player declares defenders
  5. Players can play "Challenges" or "Any Phase" actions
  6. The challenge is resolved

So in your situation, the Targ player used an "Any Phase" action (Ambush) to kill Renly in #5. He dies immediately upon the resolution of that player action. Therefore, he is not around when the challenge resolves in #6. Assuming Renly was the only defender, the challenge is considered "unopposed" because defenders (and attackers, for that matter) need to make it to #6 in order for anything to count toward challenge resolution.

Thanks for the answers, guys - that was exactly as I thought it would be, and it was how we ended up ruling it. I appreciate all the help!

Okay, and one more question. I must be blind because I can't find the rules for this anywhere. What does "in Shadows" mean? I noticed it on the Maester Pylos card.

Cypress said:

Okay, and one more question. I must be blind because I can't find the rules for this anywhere. What does "in Shadows" mean? I noticed it on the Maester Pylos card.
Shadows rules document