QoD Dragons and responses

By Shenanigans8, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

So the new "grown up" dragons in QoD all have a response that is some variation on

After you win a challenge in which [this Dragon] participated and all of your participating characters have the Dragon trait, do [X] where [Y] is equal to or less than the number of participating characters you control. (Limit once per phase.)

Should I be taking this to mean that you if you have more than one of the new Dragons participating, you can only trigger one of the effects (burn a character, claim power, discard a location) since the trigger is the same, or can I trigger each of them, seeing as the wording for each trigger (the name of the Dragon) is technically different?

My hunch is that you can only trigger one, as the underlying condition (the challenge) is the same.

Shenanigans said:

My hunch is that you can only trigger one, as the underlying condition (the challenge) is the same.

How many different "after you win a military challenge" Responses can you play after you win a military challenge? As many as you have and can pay for, right? Same thing here. You can trigger as many different "after you win a challenge in which all your participating characters are Dragons" as you have and can pay for when you win a single challenge. So if Rhaegal, Viserion, and Drogon are all in the same challenge, you can trigger all 3 Responses.

The limits, like all limits that do not specify otherwise, apply to the card they are on only. So triggering Rhaegal stops you from triggering Rhaegal again that phase; it has no effect on whether you can trigger Viserion that phase.

ktom said:

Your hunch is incorrect.

As usual. :)

Thanks for the enlightenment. I'd probably still have built the deck if it were the other way around, but this makes it sweeter.

ktom said:

Shenanigans said:

My hunch is that you can only trigger one, as the underlying condition (the challenge) is the same.

Your hunch is incorrect.

How many different "after you win a military challenge" Responses can you play after you win a military challenge? As many as you have and can pay for, right? Same thing here. You can trigger as many different "after you win a challenge in which all your participating characters are Dragons" as you have and can pay for when you win a single challenge. So if Rhaegal, Viserion, and Drogon are all in the same challenge, you can trigger all 3 Responses.

The limits, like all limits that do not specify otherwise, apply to the card they are on only. So triggering Rhaegal stops you from triggering Rhaegal again that phase; it has no effect on whether you can trigger Viserion that phase.

wait so to clairfiy if it doesnt state otherwise you can only trigger a response one time per phase?

jack merridew said:

wait so to clairfiy if it doesnt state otherwise you can only trigger a response one time per phase?

No, the opposite. The texts on the dragon cards impose a once per phase limit on their response.

But naturally, you can only ever execute any response (limited or not) once per trigger (i.e. the game event that they respond to). For example if Rhaegal's text didn't say "Limit 1 per phase", you could still only execute it once after winning a challenge. To execute it again you would need to win another challenge.

Ok, so please correct my hunch now :)

Astapor

Challenges: Kneel Astapor to choose 1 participating Dragon character you control. Until the end of the phase, that character gets +2 STR. If you win the challenge, stand that character.

Does it mean, that chosen Dragon char gains vigilant? Or is his 'after win' standing once per phase restricted? I gues it my dragon stands just once - after he wins, and +2 str bonus lasts until the end of the phase.

Is that correct?

gaspar said:

Does it mean, that chosen Dragon char gains vigilant?

"Stand the character if you win the challenge" is not the same thing as "Vigilant." It's usually bad practice to make such assumptions.

gaspar said:

Or is his 'after win' standing once per phase restricted?
the challenge," the play restrictions for the stand effect can only ever be met for the challenge during which the location was triggered. The practical effect is that there is only one time during the game that the "if" part of the stand effect can be true, but that isn't really the same thing as being restricted to once per phase."

You have the correct results - ultimately - but it is important to understand the reasons why the results are correct. Otherwise, you might end up at some point thinking "it's like Astapor" for some other interaction when it isn't really.

Thank you ktom, as always you helps me a lot :)