The new chun li says that she can play any non-action. does this mean that she cannot even attempt to play an attack/action split such as omni directional cluster bomb as the attack side. THNX

You may play a split action, because it says non-action, not non action card. You just cannot play the action side of it.

when you play a card, you choose what side to play. If it is out of play it is both sides. Not sure where this falls....it is an attack when you TRY to play it...i think...but when you play it, it is just a foundation...good question...

you may play any split attack/action, asset/action, foundation/action, but not as the action side, due to the restriction.

So I could play Omni-Directional Cluster Bomb's attack side, even though it has an action on the other side. Got it.

On the subject of "non-action" vs "non-action card", I'll compare The Gorgeous Team's two abilities.

"E Commit: Add 1 foundation from your discard pile to your hand."
So I can get a Clones, for example, because it is a foundation card with an attack side.

"G:F E Commit: Add 1 non-attack CARD from your discard pile to your hand."
I am unable to get an Omni-Directional Cluster Bomb as an action, as it is considered an attack card and an action card at the same time.
Basically split cards are considered both sides when not in play, correct?

But you can play an attack card without having to block with her Response now...?

Your opponent would have to play a form, then play an attack, FULLY RESOLVE IT (meaning, Enhance Step - Block Step - Damage Step) and then there would be a window where Chun Li could use her Response, no matter what happened during the Enhance/block/damage step (unless she was reduced to 0 vitality )

I believe that the timing window to play a Reversal is actually the same as Chun Li's R: (if their second form was an attack that was blocked), so you could block, play a Reversal, then react with Chun Li to play another attack. And I believe that you would have to play both attacks before you began to resolve either one, based on the ruling of promo Sakura (she plays two reversals, and both are in the pool before she begins the Enhance step on either), but I'm not completely sure.

Wafflecopter said:

I played it this past friday and you need to remember that playing a foundation also counts as a form so, you if your opponent plays 2 attacks, you block each and reverse each then you may still use her R ability and attack with a third atttack . You can also play an attack after 2 foundations

Is Chun-Li the more anticipated Air symboled character this set release?

'Cause I'm trying to figure out which Air character I want to build right away after set release.
Being a big Chun-Li fan, I'm a little skeptical on how to build the deck... what runs through my head is countering and vit-recovery due to her fragileness

knew_b33 said:

maybe. countering is good but what is also good is building a very aggressive deck. I used sogetsu's discard to make them unalbe to block my attakcs

ok then... I'm just trying to find a character to build and instantly I think Chun-Li and/or Ralf due to fandom...

Ralf I've noticed is a very aggresive character support... which is how he is and always will be in Metal Slug, unfortunately Fio's hotter >,<

questions asked and answered.

please leave commentary and deck advice in genD and deckbuilding

Is that a stamp on the timing of Chun Li playing attacks (declare reversal keyword, play attack as reversal, declare Chun Li's react, play any non-action as a form, resolve reversal, resolve Chun Li's card, continue play)?

upon the resolution of the attack (that is the second form) you may either:

R with chun li, play the card, resolve the card, then declare the Reversal R

-OR-

declare the Reversal R, resolve the reversal, then R with chun li, play the card, resolve the card

in either case, you opponent's turn will continue afterwards.

GouHadou said:

Beg your pardon, Gou, but I have to disagree.

As I understood it, a reversal is a different attack, but still part of the original _form_.

Therefore, your second statement is correct :

"declare the Reversal R, resolve the reversal, then R with chun li (which responds to resolving a form) , play the card, resolve the card"

I believe your first statement is incorrect:

"R with chun li, play the card, resolve the card, then declare the Reversal R"

Once you've played Chun-Li's R, you've already responded to the form resolving (not just the _attack_ resolving), which mean's you've already closed the window for any responses to the attack resolving.

(Technically, you should never be allowed to play Chun-Li's R without first asking your opponent if there are any further responses to the resolution of the attack. By attempting to play Chun-Li's R you are de facto declaring that you have no more responses to the resolution of the attack.)

Does that make sense, or am I completely off the mark here?

you were close A_P.

the attack, which is a form, has resolved. so, what just happened? there are two concurrent triggers, an attack resolving, AND a form resolving.
much like an Enhance action card resolving - an ability AND a card resolve at the same time.

so, both answers i provided are viable options - although it will most likely be preferable to use the R from reversal first, and force them to use resources in dealing with that before your 'free' attack via Chunz

The reversal keyword is worded as:

R: After your opponent resolves an attack which you have blocked...

Which is to say, after they resolved the attack. If the attack is the form (and there are no multiples left, since multiples are part of the form), then resolving that attack is the same trigger as resolving a form.

Thus you can, on the same trigger, either:

1) trigger Chun-Li's R if there are no multiple copies left unresolved and resolve any non-action, then your opponent has a chance to play a R to him resolving the blocked attack, like Flames of Fate, then the response chain goes back to you and Reversal will still apply because you did block the resolved attack.

or

2) trigger a reversal and resolve it, then your opponent has a chance to play a R to him resolving the blocked attack, like Flames of Fate, then the response chain goes back to you and Chun-Li's R will still apply unless there are multiple copies of the original attack left unresolved.

with this one i use clones and infiltrating as examples. With the regular e on g-team, which just specifies foundations, you can fetch back clones as it will recognize the foundation side. However you cant use the female e to retrieve infiltrating because the card will be recognized as an attack and thus become a restricted target; or an "untargetable target".

guitalex2008 said:

mostly right. in both cases, since it's the opponent's turn, the opponent gets the first R to a trigger, and may use "Flames of Fate" as per your example, before chunz R or Reversal.

GouHadou said:

IIRC, if I play a reversal to a Feline Spike with multiple copies in the pool, then (if FS is the original spike, F1 and F2 its copies, and RS + R1 + R2 the reversal) the situation will resolve FS RS R1 R2 F1 F2. This combined with the bolded part would suggest that Chun-Li must wait until she has played a Reversal before she can play her own ability and play a card as a form.

I feel like I should include a plea to fix the search feature, because I might have a ruling utterly backwards here, and search gives me more results outside the oofs section than within, let alone within the Rules section.

For Chun-Li to respond to the Spike with her R you would have to wait for all of the mulitple copys to resolve as they are part of the original feline spike form.

There are a couple things im still confused on.

1. Why when you play chun R or a reversal to an attack thats your opponants second form, must you wait until one of them completely finishes before using the second? How can the R "float" that long?

2. If chun-li's R and the reversal keyword are both responses to a form/attack played as a form resolving, why must you wait for feline spike's multiples to all go through before using her R, but you can reversal anytime aftering blocking?

3. If you play an attack and your opponant blocks it and decideds to reversal, when you block the reversal can you opt to play a reversal to his reversal instead of playing the attack as a form for your next action?

Tader Salad said:

1. The trigger stays open until something closes it or both players pass in succession to responding to the trigger. Not many windows can be closed, so don't worry too much about that part. Basically the response window is still there once you're done resolving the original card played via a response ability.

2. It's the same way if you do it the other way around. If you do Chun-Li R: and play Feline Spike, you have to finish resolving the multiples before you may return to the response window to respond with an attack as a Reversal.

3. Sure, you may reverse your opponent's reversal. There is nothing in the rules that says reversing may only be done on your opponent's turn, etc. The advantage to this may not be entirely obvious but one simple one is that if you're playing the attack via the Reversal response ability instead of as a Form, if you fail the control check, your combat phase will not end.