Ah. The Matt Ward codex. A prime example of why I pick and choose what pieces of background are canon in my campaigns, and ignore what comes across as ascended fanwank.

Is this a crossover book with DW?

signoftheserpent said:

It is a DH book primarily, but it is supposed to have a section on using it with DW. We'll see how big that section ends up being.

Hardrainfalling said:

Really? Because Terminators and Dreadnought's weren't enough? If I wanted to play in a mech suit I'd play Tau

Grey Knights don't serve within the Deathwatch. That'd be like having a Cadian Catachan, or an Ultramarine Sister of Battle. They're organisations that don't overlap. They're both Chambers Militant, and separate to one another in every way.

Serve together though? That's a different story. I'm sure that that could happen if the circumstances were right.

BYE

all very interesting but you are forgetting one thing, its your game, as you wish no one is going to kick the door in mid game and stop you having dw and gk in the same game! and i dont think you will suffer the same fate if you don't mix them

i'm going have both in my games and i hope you guys don't kick my door in for doing so lol

have fun

absolutley Steamdriven ,

canon is in optional , imagination is complusory

Officially, something like that can't happen. In your game? Maybe a Black Shield in an Aegis pattern armour comes to a Watch Fortress after his Squad was wiped out by an Eldar Avatar (no idea how that could happen without weighted dice though).

steamdriven said:

Helpful answers have been provided. It's worth reminding people though that ultimately the choice is theirs.

H.B.M.C. said:

it is a very helpful answer, far to many gms do not think for them selves, do as you wish

if you want to do this or that in your games, clear it with the players first, that's fine, you can mess with cannon all you like,

you can run games as you see fit, as GM you have the final say what happens in your world as it is your game

in my games i use the following list:

1, there are no female space marines,

2, there are no human sized bolt weapons, anyone who is not huge in size treats the bolt weapon as one type higher when using it. pistols is basic and so on.

3, psychic space marines can be put into dreadnoughts.

4, dark heresy, rogue trader, and deathwatch all use the same psychic rule system as found in deathwatch.

5, space marine vehicle stats replace those found in all other books.

6, if a players comes up with a good idea for a character go for it, e.g, a grey knight may end up in deathwatch as a black shield, or a space marine from one of the traitor legions still remains loyal and has become a black sheild to purge themselves in battle so they may find forgiveness in death.

7, grey knights and deathwatch as well as other factions will bee able to team up.

8, if i think its fun and the players also like it then the idea over rides cannon.

H.B.M.C. said:

MOST GRIMDARK CAMPAIGN EVAR

Siranui said:

No, but they do conduct long term joint operations. While Grey Knights are never truly seconded to the DW, there's nothing saying they can't work with the DW to reach a common goal. Sure, the common trend is that GKs face off against daemons and Kill-teams square up with Xenos Breeds (normally unrelated), but there are a lot of undiscovered xenos breeds out there (i mean a LOT) and emporer only knows how many of them are Chaos Breeds who deal with daemons. Who's to say that a full on extermination of a recently discovered Chaos breed won't take a whole game campaign, and if it takes that long, Grey Knights are really gonna come in handy for facing down that Lord of Change that the Alien Wizard summons to take out the Kill-team.

The new Grey Knight codex (you know, the one everyone loves and adores) sort of implies that GKs serve under Inquisitors of all three branches.

More then that, mind-wiping is pretty much standard fare in joint-ops with the Grey Knights, that may be a mission the characters never remember.

The Deathwatch has also "borrowed" some GK gear, they probably don't want them to find out about that.

It could be cool, a very high tension mission which leaves only scars without memories. Very much a desperation thing, and not something I'd do more than once or twice.

Even though Grey Knights might serve other ordos of Inquisition than just Malleus the main problem in joint operations with them is that they are so **** secret that even most Space Marines don't know they exist at all. The standard operating procedure for Grey Knights is to kill everyone who witnessed them (including allies) unless they happen to be very, very important people (like marines) in which case they get off with mind-wipe. This, combined with the fact that Grey Knights tend to have 100x more awesomeness than Deathwatch characters, makes them a very poor RPG material unless the whole group is Grey Knights.

Gillam Harrow said:

Which is why on reflection I moved to a more accurate metaphor.

The best way to do it is probably a quick-and-dirty route via Black Shield. Give 'em the BT defensive stance and an appropriate offensive one that deals with demons from RoB, play a Librarian, take the 'I know lots of cool secret stuff' distinction with the OK of the GM, and you're there. And because of the black shield status, all the hassle of 'and now I have to mind-blank you' stuff is gone.

Siranui said:

Yup. This is what I would do if I was hell-bent on putting GKs into DW.

The answer to this is that, barring an individual Gm's own decision, no Grey Knight would serve with Deathwatch if you wish to follow the official fluff. The reason for that is because Deathwatch is the Ordo Xeno's militant arm and, as mentioned earlier in this thread, the Grey Knights are the militant arm to Ordo Malleus.

They are the same type of organisation, the only real differences are that Deathwatch do not have their own chapter members as they recruit from the rank and file Astartes chapters and the Grey Knights are all Psykers. To go a step further than Lightbringer and H.B.M.C. having GK's in a DW kill-team would be like members of the CIA joining the FBI. They both do similar jobs and probably have had some crossover in their operations (not to mention joint ops) but they focus on different areas.

Now, having said all of that, though the Daemon Hunter book is not a Deathwatch book, it is a Dark Heresy book, it suggests a number of uses for GK's which include possibly using GK's in DW if I recall correctly. The primary use seems however to be that you flip from whatever you are playing to Grey Knights and then back again. So if you are playing Deathwatch and your SM's find a massive Chaos presence, they may forward this information to the Inquisiton which would send a team of GK's to deal with it.

Hope this helped

E

There is probably a few in stasis in the Jericho reach.

Jericho Reach alto a DW site is still one of the greatest forteress for the sector it must be held at all cost. With the different factino present there, there is bound to be an inquisitor with a retinue.

With the Adex Anomaly, the DW may have requested GK assitance to deal with the ever increasing deamonic presences. This coudl be trhough a Purgator Watch Captain, etc...

A Black Shiled GK, coudl be infiltrating Jericho, because a hortodox inquisitor out of the loop suspects Jericho of being a Deamonic entity. The GK must hten decide if what he sees in Jericho (chamber of bones ,etc) is Anateama...

There are tons of reason actually... There is a deamonic rift opening within a hive infested world. The deamons are trying to take over a Tyrant and have it possessed by one huge deamonic entity, etc...