There MUST be a typo on the LCG Days article.

First place went to an Orcs/Undead deck

Second went to a pure Chaos deck

Third went to an Empire deck

But I thought....meta was all dwarves and empire...and chaos suck.

Could you please post a link to that article?

ROFL!!! Shove it BigV!

This is what I played, its really an orc/chaos raise dead deck. It has about as good a shot against empire as anything I could come up with. I did also test a deck similar to the 2nd place finisher and it seemed to hold its own against empire as well, but had major trouble with DE.

3 - Grimgor Ironhide

3 - Clan Moulder's Elite

3 - Stunty Smasha

3 - Wight Lord

3 - Lobber Crew

3 - Spider Riders

2 - Lord of Change

3 - Sorcerer of Tzeentch

3 - Warpstone Excavation

3 - One Orc's Scrap

3 - Contested Village

3 - Orc/Chaos Alliance

3 - Troll Vomit

3 - Rip Dere 'Eads Off!

3 - Burn it Down

3 - Pillage

3 - Raise Dead

I did go 5-1 and my one loss was to the empire deck that went 4-1. I also defeated empire 2 times though.

TL

Curator said:

When I saw this I thought the same thing, then I smiled. It's awesome that creative people are able to get consistent wins with great decks.

kabrinski said:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2280

Yep, I had a good laugh too. It's amusing how the community here always claims that it's one deck type as the BEST DECK evar!! And then the tournaments come and great players prove those claims consistently wrong.

Grats to Vita T - he's fast becoming a juggernaut of the game (if he wasn't already). Well done!

I don't agree with you guys, your meta is a rly strange one. First of all let's look at the number of players in each tournament, you guys ain't going over the 10-14 per tournament. In Italy (but as far as I know, also in Poland, which is another rly good country full of WHI players) we have been makeing tournaments not only during May, but all over the year (like 1 each weekend) doing an "Inner Country" championship among towns and regions, with peaks of 30-35 players per tournament.

Every single top4/top8/top16 was fullfilled by empire decks and only in rly few times, even some orc/skaven rush, orc/undead reanimator, dwarf sacrifice (before they got nerfed). as you can see, the empire has been ruling the whole european meta since last year, actualy since the realease of the damned march (or maybe even before). I think is time to speak with designers and rly take care of this situation, like with the RBT this is rly forcing ppl to stop.

I don't understand your reaction to this, ok verena lost 1 match against a chaos deck. ok what? this is the first loose and maybe the last, we got reports and reports and reports of every kind of decks loosing against any good empire verena/quest deckbuild.

Please ban the Empire...I'm from Italy and here the people play only PRO...last tournament I played a Dwarf deck...I met in 5 turns 4 Empire deck...4!!! It's time to do something...a lot of people left this game for this reason...

Maybe you Italians just don't understand the game? As a gamer for practically my whole life, I have seen what meta does to a card game. People become closed minded and THINK/Rely on the meta decks to base their decks on. Soon this becomes a trend and new players turn to the "experts" for deck ideas.

As for ratios and statistics, America is home to the NFL a game that, come time for playoffs, means you win or go home. The team's record means nothing, yet it's that final win that means everything. Hell, just ask the Patriots.

I really wish you "Italians" would stop trying to sound like you are the masters of this game. You are beginning to sound like those, also closed minded, Magic The Gathering players.

Bring your decks over to the states. You will quickly learn that each country has its own "meta". I saw this recently with MTG and WoW TCG. Region and Nationals were dominated by certain "OP" decks, but when Worlds came many of these decks were dismantled.

Meta is a bit of a double edge sword. It hones your deck to win in one meta, but leaves you blind when going up against another.

IMO you guys give the game a bad name. Imagine if the forums for Cosmic Encounter, Talisman, or Arkham Horror (all totally unbalanced games) were cluttered with "this game sucks or is unbalanced" topics.

In my eyes YOU are the enemy killing the game. NOT the game itself. You expect this game to revolve around YOUR liking.

Romanz said:

@curator

You are right on one single point, we come from Magic the Gathering, a game where we are only use to be competitive. and I'm so proud about it.

instead on a lot of many other points you are wrong, first of all this is not an "italian only problem", since there are a lot of polish guys doing the same, and soon there gonna be from more european country since the game here is spreading quite quickly. so this makes me think "are we the bad guys?" I rly doubt. "are we European players the real problem?" Nope, definitely nope. If on two current metagame, the empire results the strongest deck around no matter which build, there must be a serious issue with the gametesters.

I don't wanna image myself in a forum of a crappy boardgame, I'm playing a card cade and I'd apreciate more comparison with magic or wow then with other stuffs. I don't know if you guys take it as a boardgame, well we don't seriously.

Oh by the way, one more thing about Magic The Gathering, I'm a former PTQ player and I can assure you the metagame all over the world in formats like extended and standard is just the same. Just check on every decksite and you will realize that the current top 8 decklist on a usa tournament, is the same in a japan tournament or russian tournament or italian tournament. But since you "spent yout life on games" I'm sure you alrdy knew these things.

Sorry but is not only for Italy..Ireland too.

This game for now is unbalanced (pro or not) and they don't wanna do nothing..That's it!

So..if you like to go in a tournament against 8 decks of Empire it's up to U, but to be honest I dislike this way.

Empire is a leading faction right now, no doubt. I think it's because of it's flexibility, they've got answers mostly for everything right now. Called back, Verena, Quest, Infiltrate, Wilhelm, Hemmler, Church of sigmar, Iron discipline etc. On the other hand, new battlepacks showed a lot of other strong cards for other factions, and the results shows that at the moment orcs can compete with empire, soon I think chaos will be playable at the turnaments. And dwarfs with their good synergy needs something to cover their looses since restricted card list including innovation, mining tunnels and reclaim the fallem, which were played in almost every Dwarf deck with good results.

@mamut Yea I do agree about Chaos and Orcs starting getting back to a quite good lvl of competivity. Expecially the last chaos unit, the sorceror of tzeentch, gave a rly good push to the orc control decks and chaos control build. I'm a lil worried about HE and Dwarfs. While the first got the worst cards ever the dwarfs got seriously hit by the restriction list and the new theme (the attachment one) has not been able to bring them back yet.

Empire remains the most solid decks with an illusory loosing rate, almoust all the match-up ends with an empire victory in the exact moment in which theempire players plays quest+units. even mirrors are becoming a quest derby, the first who gonna pick it will win the match, actualy is the first who win the dice and decide who's gonna start (obviusly).

Well you Italians are the ones boasting on how awesome you are, but if you want to speak for an entire continent then go ahead, excuse me while I take time to roll my eyes.

Look, in every single card game made, Europe, Russia, and America usually have completely different meta. A few clones pop up here and there, but for the most part the meta deck list for each country is different.

I USED to be a MTG player also, but I grew tired of the arrogance that comes with being one. It's like a requirement. That and not bathing or sleeping. Pretty bad when Pokemon players were a step up as far as hygiene goes, lol.

Kragg you should try to break this cycle or arrogance. I am not doubting your ... continents gameplay/deck building ability. I am merely pointing out that your continent is missing the overall picture.

FFG is not Wizards, Upperdeck, AEG, or Cryptozoic. They are a board game company. Stop expecting them to be any different. This card game is marketed the same way board games are. Core set and expansions every month or so. It may appear that you are getting new cards to balance out the card pool every month, but in reality the expansion has been made and at the printers long before it had time to be play tested or edited to adjust the balance of the over all game. You are simply just getting a taste of those expansions every month.

As far as FFG posting previews and such for up coming cards. That is all just marketing BS. They only show the cards you WANT to see, like "good" chaos/high elf cards. But this game is confusing for them to market this way and it shows. We are on what, like head designer number 3 now?

Do as I do and other board gamers and just enjoy the game for what it is. An escape from the greedy Euro Games Workshop Corp.

Funny, now that I think about it....was the table top game ever balanced? Seems the card game is reflecting on the miniatures game pretty closely. Yep, the perfect escape....

Kragg said:

1. Competative: Having or displaying a strong desire to be more successful than others.
Arrogant: Having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

2. That was me fighting fire with fire.

3. GTFO...or better yet make your own forum/site where you and your fellow euros can trash it all you want. I am sure if you guys are as big as you say you are then you should have a site representing W:I Europe.

4. I stand corrected. You are right. When it comes to Worlds for some reason everyone "chickens out" and instead of representing their countries they default to clone decks. Sad really...really sad. Thankfully with the LCG Days event, that cycle did not repeat itself, with this game at least.

I think you are just upset. Sorry for the NFL reference, but this reminds me of a Patriot fan that wanted to see Pats go undefeated. I stand by the fact and only true fact. Did a Chaos tourney deck just beat an Empire tourney deck. Yes or No?

Sorry I should have mentioned that I left Magic for WoW, but we had a dry spot as Blizzard was searching for a new developer. Hrmm Magic seems to be a game of lemmings now,despite having a card pool 10 times the size of Warhammer's...glad I left. I play the WoW TCG now and hate to tell ya, but the World's for it has not happened yet and due to the elementals and 2 new dragon flights it will take time to go through everything and form a solid deck. I can assure you I don't think Cryptizoic will allow another "Black Ice" event. I can't wait to return with my discovery of Germany having a different meta deck list than the American's, as they have for the past 5 yrs or so.


Anyways I am done having fun here. And that is all this "debate" was to me. Just saw your arrogance and wanted to thow some of mine into the pot. LOL I have a reputation to keep here.

Edit I forgot to add

http://www.dailymetagame.com/Decklists.aspx?udt_463_param_detail=34

http://www.dailymetagame.com/Decklists.aspx?udt_463_param_detail=33

Same month Different countries.

Notice how France has Bloody Mary decks. Yet USA has none.

On the other side USA has Ringleader Kuma decks and France has none.
There are other differences but I will leave you and other on lookers/doubters to compare.

I ask one last question. Is the meta deck list for both countries the same? Yes or NO.

@ curator..I agree with U..the game is for fun..and I play for fun...I dislike the meta...I play at MTG too and usually on in booster and sealed 'cause I hate the pro gamers.

So the game was born for fun, but now U can find a lot of official tournaments, so the game now took the Pro way.

I have to say only one thing...if I play in a tournament and I'll meet only Empire...so it's not fun...so FFG wanna create board games? Ok..but the base of every game is the "fun element" and now..is dead.

Hello guys, I'm from Italy too, but NOT from people of MTG!

We don't need to argue, because everyone is proud here...and it's better like this!

@W:I the game:you maybe once were born as a board game, with strong card in 1x, big capital to carry over each game and lots of replaceable token.

But what happened then?Who was your main target?I think maybe people tired of so much espensive TCG...usued to get PRO...

I think this because this relly looks like other CCG rather than AGOT or TLOTR the card game...

Every country now need a lot ot FAQ, and with RBT weren't italian to begin...

I think (and surely hope) the meta will expand with new expansion, but doesnt matter because when i paly for fun this game is wonderful!

I'm not even going to dignify the MTG stereotypes in this thread with a response, except to say they're gross generalisations.

On the subject of other decks doing well, it really all comes down to FFG giving players the tools to innovate. The hallmark of a healthy game is innovation (and I don't mean the card!). It's still early days in the game's lifespan, and the "Judgement problem" is really no different to the "RBT problem" from last year; there will always be a certain combination of cards that become a strong deck, made by those who test and play more than others. Anyway, didn't a deck tuned to beat RBT win last year's Worlds?

FFG might restrict a card or two, or maybe they'll print answers to those cards. Restriction - essentially saying to players they can't use their cards in a certain way - is best as a last resort. Judgement City can't be the only viable deck in WHI right now!

Oh, one last thing. If WHI weren't a competitive (as well as casual) game, why would FFG hold Regionals or a World Championships, the very nature of which is competition? Casual and competitive can coexist just fine without the need for mud slinging.

I'm hoping in some restrictions =S