Two things came up in a recent game which I'm not sure about.

My first question is whether playing a dupe counts against Fear of Winter's limitation. The rules state that attaching a dupe is done "by simply placing the duplicate under the version already in play." We figured this does not equal "play" or "putting into play", but we'd like to make sure.

The second question I had was whether using the ability of Winter Honor Guard to put it into play from my hand under the control of an opponent does qualify for a "when a character changes control" effect. It's how it was played at the time, but I am having second thoughts, figuring that a card probably maybe needs to be in play first before any change of control can happen.

Saturnine said:

Saturnine said:

Another way to look at it: You take control of one of my characters and choose it to die for military claim. It goes to my dead pile since I own it. Did the card "change control" back to me as far as something like Weeping Water is concerned? Probably not, because the rule doesn't really talk about control change (which technically happens when the card is not in play, anyway). The Honor Guard thing is pretty much the same thing just at the other end.

Thanks ktom.

Re: Fear of Winter and Dupes: All right. I suppose we got caught up in the wording.

Re: Control change: Yeah, in hindsight I figured it's probably as you say.

Well, I lost the game anyhow despite these "cheats", so no harm done