The Current errata rule for Frenzy states that "While Frenzied... you may not parry, retreat or flee. You must use the All Out Attack manoeuvre in Melee combat if possible."

And the Battle Rage Talent say "Despite your frenzied nature, you remain in control when engaging in melee. You can spend reactions to Parry while Frenzied"

The problem with this is that you still have to use All Out Attack, which says "you may not Dodge or Parry until your next turn". So Battle Rage is useless most of the time.

There are 3 possible ways this can work

a) The rules are exactly as written. This is okay, but it make Battle Rage a pretty weak talent for something that can only be gained at very high ranks.

b) With the Battle Rage Talent you can still parry (and possibly dodge), after using All Out Attack. This stays pretty close to the RaW, and fits the idea behind Battle Rage.

c) WIth the Battle Rage Talent you can choose not to use All Out Attack in melee while frenzied. This diverets fromt the RaW a fair bit, but fits the idea of a controled frenzy quite well. Also my perfered options, since it allows for the use of Lightning Attack and The Reaping while frenzied, both of which are better than All Out Attack.

Thoughts?

monkyman said:

That depends on whether or not the enemy is moving (or how quickly you've killed your last victim). If the situation requires that you must move to attack in melee, then you cannot make an All Out Attack, which means you can still parry. Similarly, if you're attacked before you make your All Out Attack action, you still get a chance to Parry.

It's not useful all the time, but how useful the talent actually is depends on enemy tactics and the weapons you're using (faster kills mean more frequent movement to get from one foe to the next).

Agreed, RAW works as intended. If you are standing toe-to-toe with an opponent, you will be using All out attack every turn until they die. The beauty of this is the talent that allows you to spend your reaction to get an extra attack when using All Out Attack.