There are two expansions for Death Angel (the Space Hulk card game) which are available via POD.

oh, again topic about errors inside their books and cards. that is new...

every time new product get released we are debating all over again...

pdf`s, additional box of cards for 10USD.

guys! grow up. FFG di not and will do no such thing!

how many times we can discuss that. they dont give a rats ass about the customers. 13 pages long errata for Dark Heresy and unlimitless number of threads here on WFRP3 forum...

I`m using Strange Eons to produce correct cards, print them and put`em in sleeves. Dont count on FFG

skolo said:

Haha you actually believe this, and you're the guy telling us to grow up. If they didn't give a rat's ass about the customers then we wouldn't even have errata.

And of course they're not going to put out a $10 card pack. It's not economically feasible. Replacements as .pdfs are as good as they can manage.

Alfonzo said:

But that is a little unacceptable. They provide replacement parts for other games and many gaming companies complete re-prints of error cards for mailing to customers. They have a fan base who are willing to pay for replacement parts - I mean PDFs are fine but after 2 years are we still burning through the initial order? How about even a word that when they re-print the sets, you'll be able to mail in for the new cards?

Alfonzo said:

But that is a little unacceptable. They provide replacement parts for other games and many gaming companies complete re-prints of error cards for mailing to customers. They have a fan base who are willing to pay for replacement parts - I mean PDFs are fine but after 2 years are we still burning through the initial order? How about even a word that when they re-print the sets, you'll be able to mail in for the new cards?

I'm thinking that a lot of you must not have been roleplaying in the 80's and 90's. Not only were the products full of a greater number of errors and mistakes (I'm looking at you FASA) but there was no internet providing virtually instant updates and errata. Additionally there were no forums where we as a community could discuss these things. No support (corporate or otherwise) existed. If there was a mistake you were either not going to notice it or you and your 6 buddies were going to debate the answer and come up with your own solution.

So for I've been fine with the miniscule number of errors for Warhammer. In almost every case the solution was obvious and FFG has given me errata and FAQ's. Perfection would be nice, but given the number of spelling and grammerical errors by this forums' posters I doubt we'll see perfection anytime soon. No offense to those of you who don't speak english as a primary language.

RenoDM said:

True, but the books were also under $25. I remember when $30 box sets started coming out and it seemed like a rip-off. Average minimum wage was about $5 back then so 5 hours work bought you a core book... average is now about 10 dollars, so it would take 10 hours to buy the core set...not saying it isn't worth it, just saying it's a non-scalable situation.

RenoDM said:

I'm sorry, are you paying anyone on the forums to provide this material and proof read their work? It's a far cry from board posts to published material. What do you expect when your iPod has serious errors in the OS? You expect upgrades because you paid for good money for a good product.

BTW - I believe the word you were looking for was grammatical

RenoDM said:

No doubt.

I remember when we got an errata for Shadowrun 2ed (printed in the back of one of the books). That was a big deal. I ended up photocopying the pages and glueing them into the inside cover of the book.

The pdf replacement cards are no biggie.

Apocryphal Lore said:

According to the CPI inflation calculator, a $30 boxed set in 1988 is the equivalent to about $57 now. Considering that you can get the core for $62 on amazon, it would seem that gaming costs about the same now as it did back then.

That's not taking production values into effect. You'd never see this level of quality in those old boxed sets.

This is a good talk about whens and what-have-yous and customer rights versus economic inflation...

Any other errors in Omens of War besides the Preceptor career card? I thought I read somewhere that two of the action cards had something going on?

I suppose if that topic is way too boring then carry on, I was just curious about...you know...stuff n junk.

Callidon said:

One of the action cards has something to the effect of "requirements go here" on one side. The other side is fine, so it's pretty clear what the requirements are.

Alfonzo said:

please, stop about this errata thing. last update Feb 2011. How many wrong cards since then? How many of them as correct pdf files, ready to be printed?

so what, we should just take a pen and correct it manually on the card? I paid tons of money for that so I demand not being cheated.

full stop

skolo said:

Please tell me that I'm just not picking up the sarcasm.

Doc, the Weasel said:

I dunno about anyone else but I think I just lost some sanity up there, and its not just my concrete awards banquet hangover. Skolo...It's childish and silly to ask for erata but you demand erata?

Doc, I think we can now add this entire thread to things that cause Corruption points in-game over in your other thread...I am going to go rock back and forth in a corner for a bit until the crazy wears off.

The level of errata is, to me, pretty low. DnD 4E currently stands at 121 pages, and unlike the WHFRP it is ALL errata not FAQ info/clarifications. The PHB1, which I updated last November, barely has a page without something penned in or pasted over the original text.

It would be nice to be free/ be able to purchase replacement cards but it is not what I would expect a company to do.

ok, guys, you can say whatever you want, but please stop with personal trips here.

you can not agree with me or whatever, but saying I`m childish or stupid is just not fair.

anyone can have his own opinion and my is the one above.

I`m not going to stop buying or playing it, its my first system and system that I love. Maybe its a mistake, maybe not. Will tell you in couple of years time.

When Warhammer 4ed will be in stores

thank you all

Machpants said:

The problem is, FFG have set a precedence with replacing faulty/misprinted parts in the past - I can't think of one board game of theirs that I've bought that had mistakes that they didn't rectify with actual bits (rather than 'high rez PDFs)... Why doesn't Warhammer get the same treatment? This, to me, is the real question - I would put up with errata and printable parts if this was how they dealt with errors in the past, but it is not.

Sausageman said:

This is a valid point - and it's not just FFG, I can't think of a company that wasn't owned by WOTC that didn't replace error cards and bits for their boardgames. But maybe this is part of the issue...WFRP3 is really a kind of Arkham/RPG hybrid. There are bits and pieces like a board game and so that boardgame instinct kicks in to want a complete game but that conflicts against the RPG nature that might not have a fanbase that supports the economy of re-prints. I still think an errata pack wouldn't go wrong...or a Print on Demand... Is the market penetration really so much lower than say, Blue Moon? If a game like blue moon can get a 30 card booster produced I don't see why WFRP can't. And I don't think it just has to be errata... I could use another 1-2 basic action sets, maybe a few stress/stamina tokens... the more I think about it, the more I'd be willing to pay $20 for something like that.

Anyone notice that the spine of the Omens of War book itself is printed: "Omen's of War"?

LOL

skolo said:

Which hopefully will be soon. (and not produced by FFG anymore)

Do I get this correctly: People canceled their order of OoW because the Preceptor-Sheet is misprinted (Advanced where it should be Basic), because an action card has a misprint on the Requirement line that can easily be corrected, since the other side of the card is in order, and because there is "Omen's" instead of "Omens" on the spine of the book?

As far as I see there were no other mistakes or misprints mentioned in this thread. So why the discussion for three pages on this board because of three minor errors? I suppose I can call myself lucky that I have other matters to concern myself with .

Just get on your horses and beat that bloody Blood God bloody!

.

korknadel said:

It's a SLAP IN THE FACE!

I have yet to hear any anecdotes about how someone was trying to play the game, but an error got in the way and no-one had any fun.

Doc, the Weasel said:

Did you miss the thread a few weeks ago about starting a petition to FFG? It was to demand that they (FFG) send out free, corrected replacements. Oh and to promise that they will be more careful and include less typos in the future.

Don't listen to me, though: I've been branded with the dreaded scarlett letters: "fanboi". MY NERD CRED IS NULL AND VOID!

korknadel said:

I can't speak for anyone who didn't order the book, but here's the thing-- part of the attraction of WFRP 3 to me was the inclusion of components, including the cool action cards and career cards. They speed up play and nice. So that is part of the reason I bought the game and its supplements. When there are misprints on the cards in detracts from their value. Either I have to mark up the cards with the correction or print the "high-res" version myself, which makes them look less cool, or for more serious issues we have to refer to the errata which slows down play. Neither of these are crippling issues, neither of them are preventing us from playing the game, and neither are preventing me from having fun. BUT when part of the attraction is the components and there are errors on the components it detracts from the attraction.

I don't know why that is so hard to accept.

Honestly, I've rarely been bothered by rule books that have errata or errors. But a card that says "graphic goes here" or whatever misses QC, that's disappointing.

Upon consideration, as much as I want more for this game, I feel like if they slowed down the release schedule to correct some of these issues I might be happier. Well, maybe not. Maybe getting more stuff quicker is worth a few errors. I don't know.

But I don't see how feeling the company should be responsible for correcting components is inappropriate.

Doc, the Weasel said:

There are a ton of systems that are fun. This game is supposed to be fun and attractive. Errors on the components reduce the attraction.