My copy of Omens of War arrived yesterday, and after a quick flick through I already started to spot some errors - an action card with the place holder text still on it, for example (there's also a basic career with the advanced trait, that you have to have completed another career before moving to - can't decide if that's an error or not...).

Is this just something we have to live with and accept now? After all, they still haven't provided replacement cards for the errors in the core set (which I'm beginning to suspect we'll never see). I wish I could ignore errors in things like this, but as soon as I know they're there, it bugs me immensely...

That sucks. But it seems they have already shown us that they don't intend to fix the issue, by releasing replacement cards.

Ha, deal with it, bringing this up is pointless and this subject has been beaten to death... You will be mocked by FF fanbois and ignored by FF itself...lol. We must either live with the eternally growing list of errors that we should be glad they even address when they feel like get around to it... and be even more thankful when they offer up "high quality" pdf's for us to print, It seems either way they just don't care.

You know. Those don't bother me so much. Its a shame considering the cost, but I feel for the most part, its not terribad. If it was all the cards or whole chapters of the book, I would flip out.

Concerning the erata'ed cards...is there a functional issue with printing them and sleeving them next to the "real" cards? Other than cosmetics I don't see how it would break versimilitude or tactical choices, but I'm only a month or so in. The game doesn't currently have full blown discard mechanics (other than choose and replace which removes randomness in and of itself) I don't even see an issue with custom/homebrew cards not looking like the "real" ones through in-home printing. Am I missing something? Is it just the price-point versus faulty components (kinda like buying a nice pair of sunglasses with a sharp bit of metal that scrapes your nose when you put them on)?

Heretek said:

I don't think the point of a thread like this has to be to get things done, or to cow the fanbois into admitting the game isn't perfect, or whatever. I think it can be useful for players/GMs to see what other typos, etc, others have found so we can be aware of them, and take them into account in our own games. Not that there is any specific or useful errata listed in this thread, yet.

simpatikool said:

simpatikool said:

I would tend to agree with this - it's annoying as crap but not horrible - I don't mind printing out the PDFs because I used sleeves anyways.

I can understand why they don't print replacement cards... when they print they buy in massive bulk - no printer is going to allow them to tack on 5000 extra copies of a card months later for cheap... it's more economical to wait for a re-print of the product and release them in that. I know some people have asked why the correct versions aren't placed in an expansion but that's another economical choice - if you're printing something, it's usually by sheets and probably 9 cards per sheet or something. When you are designing supplements to keep under cost, you would need to balance cost vs # of cards. So if you can get 2 'sheets' in a box set for x price what would you rather have: 18 brand new cards, 14 New cards and 4 reprints or the full 18+ new cards, reprints and +$$ price for the set? It sucks, but at the end of the day, that's why I think we see a lack of single reprints.

Honestly though, if they really want to make players happy they should produce an errata pack - like a 15 card booster pack with the errata cards and sell it for $2.99 or something - no more than $5... give the option of picking up those cards if you're willing to pay a little $$.

As for why I'd want them... I like my set to look good and feel good - It's a collector thing for me - and yeah, I've put more money into this game than any other RPG I own, I'd like the components to be flawless for the money - I bought a Mercedes RPG, not a pick-up truck off the farm.

Heretek said:

Sad thing is, I'd sorta consider myself an FFG fanboy (though I loathe the term) - but the mistakes is just startinmg to grate now. ANd yes, as someone above mentioned, it's predominantly price point vs faulty components I reckon.

I don't it would bother me were it not that I buy SO MUCH FFG stuff - last board game I got was Mansions of Madness and that had a crazy amount of corrections and errata on day 1!

I guess I'm just venting

So anyway, to Omens of War, is the mention Basic Career with Advanced trait an error or what?

monkeylite said:

Agreed, I'll bite.

Career Erata:

Preceptor: Basic descriptor should be replaced with Advanced.

Sausageman said:

Yup. It should say Advanced Career in the heading instead of Basic, but still has the Advanced trait.

Apocryphal Lore said:

For the record, I would absolutely buy a pack of corrected cards (and/or other components, like career sheets). I'd even pay more than $5 for it, if necessary.

I'd buy a set of corrected cards as well... $10 or whatever they want to charge for them,.,, $15, $20... as long as I can complete my collection

Heretek said:

Errors are annoying but crop up in works produced by companies with resources much greater than FFG's. Many comparable games have similar amounts of errata. I'm not saying that Fantasy Flight couldn't or shouldn't do better but marginalizing people who don't have a strong negative opinion on this matter by calling them fanbois is largely unproductive in more than one fashion.

As long as the company lives up to its obligation of releasing official "errata," I think we're all good

jh

This is unfortunate news, though not entirely unexpected. After the debacle with the Creature's Guide/Vault, I decided to take a wait-and-see approach when it comes to WFRP 3rd edition releases, and I'm glad I did because even little misprints like these annoy me - especially when they are on the physical components and not just typos in the rulebooks.

Though I think the content in Omens of War rocks, I'm going to wait until a 2nd printing (in hopes that the cards will be corrected by then). This may seem extreme, but in my opinion A) FFG charges a premium for their products so I expect a premium, high-quality product in return, not a self-printed PDF download, and B) mistakes in a card-based RPG such as this one are much more irritating/difficult to deal with than errors in traditional book-based RPGs.

Having the rules printed on cards has made this RPG so much more inviting to beginners - in my group only 1 out of 5 has roleplayed regularly, the rest of us either haven't roleplayed before, or haven't played a RPG in over a decade. However, having rules errors right on the cards ends up defeating the purpose, and makes it tougher for those of us who are new to these kinds of games. I wish FFG would wrap their head around that concept when it comes time to proofing their stuff.

I also find it odd that their editing seems to be getting sloppier as time goes on. While the Core release had some issues (SoP for FFG), The GM's Toolkit, The Gathering Storm, Edge of Night, Winds of Magic, Signs of Faith and the Witch's Song are all relatively error free. But lately their offerings haven't shown the same kind of post-production quality control. I wonder if they are rushing their release schedule to maximize their licensing agreement with GW?

Oh well, I may be waiting a long time for a 2nd printing of OoW, but I need to put my money where my mouth is, and at least WFRP 3rd has a ton of other great products that I haven't even begun to use.

Yipe said:

What debacle?

Alfonzo said:

Perhaps debacle was too strong of a word. Blunder maybe? Lack of QC? Missed opportunity to be clear and concise? Okay, I'm just joking. Any way you look at it, I apologize for bringing up the topic because I don't think anyone wants to dredge up those old threads. I'll simply direct you to the latest FAQ updates on the WFRP 3rd edition support page, and you can come to your own conclusion:

www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp

Yipe said:

I wasn't poking fun at your choice of words (though debacle is rather strong!). I was simply unaware of the extent of the errata in the creature guide and vault. Someone recently purchased both of them for me as a gift and I was genuinely curious about what you were referring to. Thanks for giving me the heads up. It's a bit more errata than I would have liked but I guess I'm not bothered by it as much as some people are.

No worries about poking fun at my choice of words, it was a bit of hyperbole on my part after all. Plus my dry sense of humor doesn't translate very well into text, so there's that too... Anyway, I'm glad the errata doesn't bother you too much. Each person has their own "error threshold", with mine being lower than most, which is why I just linked the FAQ and figured you could decide on your own if it's a big deal or not. Fortunately, it doesn't seem OoW has nearly as many errors as the Guides and Vaults.

And just to bring this back on track, I'd like to voice my support for a card pack that we can buy with all the correct versions of the cards, as well as some other goodies to make it worth FFG's while to produce/sell.

Yipe said:

Yeah I'm pretty dry and sarcastic myself so I get where you're coming from.

In regards to the card pack, perhaps this would be something that could be done via print on demand.

Alfonzo said:

In general, I think this is an excellent idea. While I do think FFG should honour their customers and replace the faulty components for free (and no, I don't consider a 'high quality PDF' a suitable replacement for this), as they seem to be DEAD SET that they aren't going to do this, then this would be good for me - as long as those of us that don't live in the states don't get HAMMERED with crazy P&P prices.

Sausageman said:

You'd think that with the new POD thing they're touting it wouldn't be that hard for us to get or even order, good quality replacements. Personally, I think they should be made available for free (perhaps with the proof of purchase chit). But I'd be willing to pay a small amount for the corrected playing pieces.

So I am very dissapointed to read that there are again misprinted cards in Omens of War.

I was hoping that FFG learned from the mistakes they made. Now I disordered my two OoW from my online store. Anyway I did my own ruleset for Horse Combat and I have a own (IMO a lot better) hit location and critical system. I took the information I read in these forums and built onto it.

For the talents and actions from OoW, i will write them down on a paper when one of my players hat the box. But I think maybe this will be his last order, too.

I like the game very much but I'm so fed up with those careless mistakes and sometimes incoherent rules, but that's a point I don't want to discuss.

But , it's still my favorite rpg system as a GM.

RARodger said:

RARodger said:

There's a POD thing for cards?