I think the card is so cool. Agotcards.org has a preview of the new Jaquen H'Gar coming out later this month (in Chinese, but with English translation). I am a huge fan of it.

Link here: www.agotcards.org/news/v/23

He seems very fluffy in the way he works and he seems useful in the game, but not game breaking like the other one (which didn't work at all like I'd assume Jaquen H'Gar would work based on the books). I just wish this one had a way to kill people himself.

SPOILER

Now that I see him, I already want a fun deck that includes as many of the people on Arya's list I can get my hands on. Then I can kill three of them. Who cares about winning when I can recreate scenes from the books?

Arya's List idea is genial ;-)

Thanks for posting the Card:) I figured people here might want to see if if they don't visit there regularly:)

Thanks for the spoiler!

This card is awesome and I can already envision him in many decks. <3 Jaqen H'ghar

Oh, NVM I guess Jaqen's (Any Phase) action means he can be brought out of shadows at any point in time.

For some reason, when I try to log in, the screen freezes on me - always has.

Can someone post the spoiler here? Thanks!

rings said:

Jaqen H'ghar
S2 - STR 0 - Ally
Any phase: pay the rest of gold cost to bring Jaqen H'ghar out of Shadow, choose a non-army character which was killed in this phase from an opponent's dead pile. Attach it to Jaqen H'ghar as his duplicate. Jaqen H'ghar gains its printed text, STR, Icons, traits and crests. Bring Jaqen H'ghar back to Shadow when the duplicate leaves play.

Very unlikely to see competitive play. Maybe in Lannister.

Both Targ and Stark would use him.

Kill someone in a military challenge, bring him out to then use killed character as an extra challenger, and then use said char as claim from opponent's military challenge.

Kill annoying character opponent has (Street Waif, Shadows Bob, Red Viper, Blackfish), then Jaqen H'Gar said character and now annoy your opponent.

bloodycelt said:

He doesn't gain the character's title.

I didn't think he looked too bad:

He repeatedly re-activates shadow triggered abilities (e.g. Queen of Thorns) like a second Syrio. That's particularly good as he can be a second card you bring out of shadows in a phase.

If you play first and kill something, he lets you pop a semi-surprising defender into a challenge, after your opponent has declared stealth.

For only two gold, he allows you to run your opponents best dead character as if it was your own (assuming you can time the death right), which is never a bad idea.

The one obvious drawback I see with him is that he can essentially 'de-deadify' your opponents uniques (as the 'duplicate' goes to the discard, not back to the dead pile) which might be a bit of a bummer if your opponent is running multiple copies of their unique characters.

FATMOUSE said:

Hmm, this is an interesting distinction. I am assuming you mean if Jaqen copied Red Viper's text it wouldn't mean Jaqen does not kneel to attack since Viper's text reads "Red Viper does not kneel to attack..." ?

Of course just copying the Viper's 3 Str tricon with Renown and Immune to events and character abilities is still pretty darn good.

LaughingTree said:

Yeah, that's what I mean.

LaughingTree said:

It's not bad, but he's still printed 0 STR and you just gave your opponent the ability to play TRV again. Not to mention the initial 2 gold investment and keeping 2 gold around during Marshalling/Challenges/Dominance.

Very fun, but I agree only good if you have targeted kill during the challenges phase (otherwise you will be staring down changing into a weenie way too much). @ 4 cost, the target better be pretty good.

I love the card though!

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Wow, this guy looks cool...in large part because of how flavorful he seems.

I'm with Fatmouse - this guy may prove a lot weaker than he seems, given how expensive he is and the fact that he can't use the ability of a significant number of the cool tool box characters. On the other hand, he'll be solid in terms of copying keywords, icons, and STR. Plus, he'll always be around, since the dupes he has function as a save.

Hands down one of the Nedliest cards that I've seen in ages. I'm looking forward to experimenting with him. I can't help but wonder though that the intent of the card may have been for self referential abilities like the Red Viper's to continue to be self referential when copied. I can see the argument made either way, so it's probably something that's worth getting an official clarification on.

He could be really cool in mirror matches where you and your opponent are running different version of a unique character. Since Jaqen is no longer self referential, the affect applies to any other card with that name.

Also, although your opponent will be able to play another copy of the unique character attached to Jaqen, he won't be able to play it while the duplicate is attached. If you want to keep a particular character dead, don't trigger Jaqen. If your opponent has some sort of dead pile recursion (such as Melisandre' and the plot whose name I can't remember) by stealing/copying her your opponent cannot bring her back (and will actually have to pay again for a futrue copy).

Sure, he is not game breaking, but he is both Nedly and Shagga (and slightly Jaime) and as such I'm looking forward to playing him to see what he is like. Plus, the art is amazing.

Surely the case is dealt with in the same way as it is in another popular CCG which is themed around magic and which I'm sure that nobody here has ever heard of, i.e. when a card refers to itself by name that reference ought to be taken to read 'this' (which usually crops up in the context of ability copying effects such as Jaquen's).

I can't beleive that the rules will take effect in a way that will stop Jaquen from copying, say, Core Set Robert and then using his double-renown ablity. Surely doing stuff like that is the whole point of the card?

Also, if the rules do take effect in that (lame) way, then we'll be stuck with the perverse situation in which copying Core Robert or Core Stannis gives you the exact same result, which is just about as un-nedly as you can possibly be.

There was the same deabte when they released Doran Martell in A House of Talons - he was able to copy a character ability just triggered until the end of the phase. it was ruled at that time the self-referential abilities were not triggereable on Doran himself, but that they would be legal on any other card played with that name. So, if my opponent played Ser Aerys Oakheart and discarded an ally, I could then use Doran to copy Aerys ability and trigger it (since it is still the same response window) to discard an ally myself.

If this remains the case (and I suspect it will, unless we are looking at a translation error) then Jaqen copying The Red Viper won't grant him the doesn't kneel to attack ability. But if he copies core set Jon Snow and I also have my own Jon Snow, I could trigger Jaqen to have Jon claim 2 power.

Yes, it is clunky. The question becomes what was the intention when the card was designed, and does Nate/Damon really want to change the wording ont he card to reflect this (or, perhaps, add a new entry to the FAQ, which would be the cleaner way of correcting the issue).

If FFG wants to update the FAQ (i.e. cards referring to titles are in fact specifically referring to the card itself) or errata Jaqen so that he could "use" character abilities that refer to titles other than his own (i.e. Jaqen gains title), that's fine; however, as-is, he works the way I described. The same "intent" argument can be made about the new Alliance Agenda, which effectively doesn't remove OOH gold penalties during Setup.

It's possible both cards were intended to work differently than they actually do, but for better or worse, intentions don't change the rules. Also, if the rules are lame, it's just as lame that design doesn't properly phrase cards to be consistent with the rules. In other words, FFG needs better quality check : /

Again, assuming these cards work differently than how they were intended to work.

I think I just realized that since I've "stolen" your copy of a unqiue character, I can't play a copy of that character, since that would violate the unqiue rule.

I have a question on this character:

When he comes out of shadow using his ability, does he keep his crapy 0 printed STR or is it replaced by the "copied" character attached as dupe?

in other words, may my opponent kill him with a VB, though his "new" printed STR is 3 or 4 ??

JerusalemJones said:

The cleaner errata would be to say that self-referential abilities gained by Jaqen count for him.

Kordovan said:

Base STR isn't the same as printed STR. Another way of looking at base STR is "unmodified" STR. Base STR and printed STR are usually the equal in value, but in this instance they aren't. Jaqen has a printed STR of 0 regardless of the base STR he gains; he can be targeted by VB.