If there are multiple copies of Bay of Ice in play, is each passive effect triggered allowing for the player winning initiative to draw multiple cards or is it resolved as a single passive effect allowing only one card to be drawn?

Technically, the answer is "both." The end result is that only 1 card is drawn, no matter how many copies of Bay of Ice are out.

Each copy resolves separately, but the first one to resolve kneels all copies of Bay of Ice, not just itself, then allows for the card draw. When the second one goes to resolve, all copies of Bay of Ice are already knelt, so its "draw a card" effect fizzles out since the requisite kneeling of "all" locations doesn't happen.

Whether you want to remember the whole interaction and rules behind the situation or not is up to you. The end result, though, is that no matter how many copies of Bay of Ice are out, only 1 card will be draw by the winner of initiative - even though each copy technically resolves separately.

Jumping on with a question on the same card. If your opponent wins initiative, can they trigger your Bay of Ice since it says "after a player wins initiative" and not "after you win initiative"?

perpetual noob said:

Bay of Ice is a passive effect, so players do not trigger it - it triggers itself automatically, whether you want it or not.

Rogue30 said:

so whichever opponent wins initiatve gets to draw the card?

perpetual noob said:

ktom said:

True. I was thrown by the fact that there was no "kneel to draw a card" text which made me think that kneeling wasn't a prereq for drawing the card. Clearly, the "then" text acts in the same manner. Thanks, ktom.

Question about this card: when does Bay of Ice passive ability resolve? After or before the step 4 of plot Framework action window?

In particular I am curious about the interaction between Treath from the East and Bay of Ice. I think the "when revealed" effect of the plot goes first but my opponent today was not of the same opinion. I think it's important if Ichoose the option "draw 3 then discard 3 at random", because if Bay of Ice kicks in before "when revealed" of TftE, I could draw without discard anything. But I don't think it's the right way.

Enlight me, please.

Passives on cards resolve after all When Revealed effects are resolved. When Revealed effects are Framework events. Passives resolve in phase 4 of the framework action window, after all Framework events resolve. Look at the Framework action window flow chart, that should make things clearer.

thank you very much. I supposed that, but I wanted to be sure.

Ratatoskr said:

The flow chart for the Plot phase is a little misleading because there is an entire FAQ entry explaining how "when revealed" plots are resolved. They are actually resolved in Step 4 of the Framework Action Window -- as passive effects -- with the additional stipulation that all "when revealed" plots must be resolved before any other passive effect can be. The treatment of "when revealed" plots as passive effects is not only more consistent with their wording, but more consistent with other effects that allow you to reveal plot cards. (If "when revealed" text was resolved because of a framework action, they would not resolve when something like CS Bran let you reveal a plot outside of the framework window.) It also is more consistent with the fact that all constant plot effects are active before any "when revealed" plot effect initiate.

That doesn't change the answer (that Bay of Ice always takes place after Threat from the East, regardless of what the First Player might try to say), but it is the complete analysis.

thorin: Your opponent is probably suffering from the age-old mistake that everyone seems to make in framework windows - particularly revealing plots and resolving challenges. He wants passives (and possibly Responses) for each individual framework event to take place right after the particular framework event. More to the point, since Bay of Ice is a passive effect activated by winning initiative, he assumed that it was activated immediately after initiative was won - which would mean before the "framework event" of resolving "when revealed" plots. It's like wanting a passive activated by winning/losing a challenge to go before claim is settled. But, in the end, passives to any individual framework event are held until after all framework events are executed. Follow that with the additional stipulation for the plot phase that "when revealed" passive plot text must be resolved before any other passive effect from the "reveal plots" framework action window, and it is clear that Bay of Ice will never have any impact on how Threat from the East resolves.