Unoffical FAQ (and suggested answers) thread....

By pumpkin, in The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game

kirkbauer said:

I don't see anything on Wolf Rider in this thread: do you get to attack Wolf Rider or does it run away immediately after its attack?

I assume you mean the Shadow Effect on the Wolf Rider. It's one of the many questions that we are waiting for the FAQ to answer.

See on this forum, [Rules Q] Wolf Rider

On the BGG forum, Wolf Rider Shadow Text

Apologies if this is covered already - didn't see it in the stickie.

Can I use my starting hero abilities during setup? For example, can I look at the top card of the encounter deck with Denethor before I flip up the first card in then Anduin river quest?

Thanks in advance.

I have a question. Can you play events and abilities when you are playing out allies and attachments during the planning phase? Specifically, can you cast Steward of Gondor then immediatly use it to get resources to spend immediately to cast more allies or attachments? Reading the rules I see you can activate Steward immediately before or after you play allies and atachments but it doesn't say you can play abilities during, so I am thinking you won't be able to use it until you are done playing allies and attachments.

And Wargs. When do they run back?

PorkUnit said:

Apologies if this is covered already - didn't see it in the stickie.

Can I use my starting hero abilities during setup? For example, can I look at the top card of the encounter deck with Denethor before I flip up the first card in then Anduin river quest?

Thanks in advance.

Waiting for the official FAQ on this one, the closest we have is that When revealed effects in theory would occur during set up and therefore responses to those effects should also occur during set up, but there's no clarity (yet) on other Hero actions.

lleimmoen said:

And Wargs. When do they run back?

Waiting for FAQ, i think it is after the entire attack steps has occurred, so after they have dealt damage, but there is an argument and a school of thought to suggest after means as soon as the shadow card is turned without a shadow effect...

quicksilver89 said:

I have a question. Can you play events and abilities when you are playing out allies and attachments during the planning phase? Specifically, can you cast Steward of Gondor then immediatly use it to get resources to spend immediately to cast more allies or attachments? Reading the rules I see you can activate Steward immediately before or after you play allies and atachments but it doesn't say you can play abilities during, so I am thinking you won't be able to use it until you are done playing allies and attachments.

That section in the turn sequence is coloured green which means players can play actions freely during that step, so yes you can play SoG, then immediately exhause it to gain resource then spend that resource on more allies or attachments. I'll add this to the FAQ.

In the case of "Bork Ironfist". Do you have to pay it's cost if you are playing him using his response?

Maggical said:

In the case of "Bork Ironfist". Do you have to pay it's cost if you are playing him using his response?

No, you do not pay the 6 resource cost if you decide to trigger his response.

"After a Dwarf hero you control leaves play, put Brok Ironfist into play from your hand."

Card text over-rides the rulebook (Golden Rule, page 4). Since the card doesn't say "Pay Cost to put Brok..." you do not. Also note that this may be triggered outside Phase 2 Planning (usually the time you get to play Ally cards), since it is a response then you get to play Brok from hand at the trigger point.

BTW, a good pointer for such questions is the following unofficial FAQ by kirkbauer on BGG.

GhostWolf69 said:

The Only limitation I can find is around Player Declaration.

As long as the Player is limited to only declare ONE attack per Creature per Round, it doesn't really matter how many attacks a certain Character could perform.

But in Legolas case he has the ability to be included in OTHER Players Declarations.

Aaaaand... I was right. New FAQ says so. Just felt like gloating a little. (In all friendliness) :-)

Of course I did not consider the added complicaiton of card text allowing the same player to again declare an attack against the same Enemy, but... in essence the FAQ is quite spot on.

Players are Limited - Characters are not.

/wolf

My memory is not so good lately and i can't remember what we do if Goblin sniper is in the staging area but i am not engaged with enemies.I am must deal one dmg on a character or because i am not engaged i skip the combat phase?

I don't think you ever skip the combat phase, or any phases for that matter. Sometimes nothing happens in a phase, but the phase still occurs. The goblin sniper would still damage a character, even if your not engaged with anyone.

You wouldn't "skip" the combat phase if you aren't engaged with any enemies, as there is nothing in the rules that states to do so. You play each successive step as you normally would, despite nothing happening and usually having no effects to resolve. If you think about it, it would be a little silly if, for example, you were unable to attack enemies in the staging area with Dunhere simply because you weren't also engaged with any enemies.

To speed up the tedium of saying "okay, declare attackers step. There are no eligible attackers," and so on, the players probably say or agree "there are no eligible/possible combats and no effects to resolve, so lets 'skip' to the next phase." However, the combat phase still happens. If there are no actual combats, but a special case, such as a Goblin Sniper being in the staging area, its forced effect still triggers as normal.

and FYI to jot your memory:

Goblin Sniper: "Forced: If Goblin Sniper is in the staging area at the end of the combat phase, each player deals 1 point of damage to 1 character he controls."

edit: beaten! I agree with Kiwina.

Dunhere was the only reason i had my doubts if you skip combat phase wen no enemies are in the staging area.The think that confused me was how combat phase starts in the rule book.Anyway i was 99% sure that what you are saying is the right way to play but some times you must be 100% sure for somethink lengua.gif.Thanks guys.

servant of the secret fire said:

Dunhere was the only reason i had my doubts if you skip combat phase wen no enemies are in the staging area.The think that confused me was how combat phase starts in the rule book.Anyway i was 99% sure that what you are saying is the right way to play but some times you must be 100% sure for somethink lengua.gif.Thanks guys.

I think i know the source of your doubt Servant. You told me before as i remember you use to play Lotr tcg from Decipher. There is the rule: if no minions in play skip to regroup phase(last phase of the turn). Maybe this make you feel this game should to have same a????

Glaurung said:

servant of the secret fire said:

Dunhere was the only reason i had my doubts if you skip combat phase wen no enemies are in the staging area.The think that confused me was how combat phase starts in the rule book.Anyway i was 99% sure that what you are saying is the right way to play but some times you must be 100% sure for somethink lengua.gif.Thanks guys.

I think i know the source of your doubt Servant. You told me before as i remember you use to play Lotr tcg from Decipher. There is the rule: if no minions in play skip to regroup phase(last phase of the turn). Maybe this make you feel this game should to have same a????

Yes you are right.Lotr tcg was the only card game i used to play for 10 years and sometimes i believe that most card games have similar rulesgran_risa.gif.If you look in the rule book combat phase starts wen you have engaged enemies and you deal shadow cards on them.Thats why i had doubts if you can skip a phase in this game.Ofcourse Dunhere brakes this but as i said sometimes you must be 100%sure.

I see that people are posting questions on this thread so I will do the same. However, I will also start a new thread about the same topic. Here is my topic...

I read the KB FAQ and I see that there is a question about Sentinel keyword and the Stand Together card. Now, I was thinking as Sentinel goes, a Sentinel keyword character can defend any attack that is declared as undefended. Therefore only Sentinel keyworded characters may defend previously declared undefended attacks, but what if at this same time, during this same attack more than one Sentinel keyworded character is available to defend against said attack. If I was to have a Stand Together card in hand at that very moment, could I group together a bunch of Sentinel keywords as defenders?

What say you, oh high and mighty ones...?

Bonus Card said:

I see that people are posting questions on this thread so I will do the same. However, I will also start a new thread about the same topic. Here is my topic...

I read the KB FAQ and I see that there is a question about Sentinel keyword and the Stand Together card. Now, I was thinking as Sentinel goes, a Sentinel keyword character can defend any attack that is declared as undefended. Therefore only Sentinel keyworded characters may defend previously declared undefended attacks, but what if at this same time, during this same attack more than one Sentinel keyworded character is available to defend against said attack. If I was to have a Stand Together card in hand at that very moment, could I group together a bunch of Sentinel keywords as defenders?

What say you, oh high and mighty ones...?

My question has been answered, Thanks guys!

Mods, please feel free to delete this post.

Excuse me if this has been posted before, but has there ever been any kind of official word or consensus on the following rulebook contradiction?

* Under questing phase, somewhere it says that players can take actions at the end of each step.

* On the round/phase overview section in the back (with the green/red highlighting), it says that "players can take actions generally, or at the end of each step as described in the rules" or something like that.

As an example of what I am asking, can I play Sneak Attack during the first step of the quest phase? I'm talking about the "commit characters to quest" step. Is it possible to Sneak Attack say, Gandalf, and then commit him to the quest? Or, do I have to wait until I am done committing characters (and move on to step 2) before I can Sneak Attack Gandalf?

Lightdarker said:

Excuse me if this has been posted before, but has there ever been any kind of official word or consensus on the following rulebook contradiction?

* Under questing phase, somewhere it says that players can take actions at the end of each step.

* On the round/phase overview section in the back (with the green/red highlighting), it says that "players can take actions generally, or at the end of each step as described in the rules" or something like that.

As an example of what I am asking, can I play Sneak Attack during the first step of the quest phase? I'm talking about the "commit characters to quest" step. Is it possible to Sneak Attack say, Gandalf, and then commit him to the quest? Or, do I have to wait until I am done committing characters (and move on to step 2) before I can Sneak Attack Gandalf?

Good Question, I have done this time and again, hoping that it was actually lawful and rule abiding.

Lightdarker said:

Excuse me if this has been posted before, but has there ever been any kind of official word or consensus on the following rulebook contradiction?

* Under questing phase, somewhere it says that players can take actions at the end of each step.

* On the round/phase overview section in the back (with the green/red highlighting), it says that "players can take actions generally, or at the end of each step as described in the rules" or something like that.

As an example of what I am asking, can I play Sneak Attack during the first step of the quest phase? I'm talking about the "commit characters to quest" step. Is it possible to Sneak Attack say, Gandalf, and then commit him to the quest? Or, do I have to wait until I am done committing characters (and move on to step 2) before I can Sneak Attack Gandalf?

I usually play it where Sneak attack has to be played after characters commit to the quest, but it is a little ambiguous the way the chart in the back presents it.

That's what I've always done as well, though its been a little uncertainty that has always bothered me. Any other thoughts out there are welcome!

Look in the rules book. There is good explonation about this. first step of Questing phase : Players commit Characters to the quest.

Since this step is green you can play action and event in any order. So it mean you can commit 1 hero to the quest than play sneak attack or some action an so on. You can play event first than start commit characters to the quest up to you. Even when you commit all your characters to the quest you still can play events and actions. But when you say is done and you go to staiging phase you cannot play any actions and events (excluding responses) until all encounter cards will revealed and resolve , than is again time for action and events.

Look rule book page 27. Green and red zone. You will understand quickly once and for all.

Glaurung said:

Look in the rules book. There is good explonation about this. first step of Questing phase : Players commit Characters to the quest.

Since this step is green you can play action and event in any order. So it mean you can commit 1 hero to the quest than play sneak attack or some action an so on. You can play event first than start commit characters to the quest up to you. Even when you commit all your characters to the quest you still can play events and actions. But when you say is done and you go to staiging phase you cannot play any actions and events (excluding responses) until all encounter cards will revealed and resolve , than is again time for action and events.

Look rule book page 27. Green and red zone. You will understand quickly once and for all.

That is where the ambiguity is though.

Page 18 says you play event cards after each step. Step 1 is committing characters to the quest. According to page 18 Sneak Attack can't be played until after all characters are already committed to the quest.

In contrast, page 27 shows step 1 as a green zone. That implies you can play event cards generally during that step, or at least between each player committing characters to the quest.