Hi there, I have a doubt about this guy. His text reads:

Response: After Lucas Blackwood is killed, you may initiate a Military challenge against an opponent of your choice as your next player action this phase

What I have trouble with is that "as your next player action" part of the text. Let's say Lucas is killed during the second player action window during a standard Military, Intrigue or Power challenge. For that purpose I use Grey Wind (LoW) or some other card that let's me do so. My question is:

Knowing that I cannot initiate Lucas' Military challenge as my next player action since the current challenge will not have finished yet, do I lose the opportunity to initiate it once the challenge ends?

Thanks for your time

I know the rules on Shadows Politics prevents it from letting you make challenges within challenges, so I would assume that you can't do the same thing here. I'd play it safe and say you do it as your next available legal action, so when your not within a challenge.

My question is, if you use it before you declare your military challenge for the round, do you still get to? Or has the limit of one challenge/type already been met through Blackwood?

eloooooooi said:

So, in the situation you describe, if you want to do the challenge from Blackwood, you would have to wait until the challenge is over to take any standard player action. If you take some other action before you can legally do his challenge, his action will no longer be your "next" one.

Blackwood's ability is for your next action taken, not your next action opportunity.

Thank you very much

This card just looks fun to play with.

btw: remember that Responses do not count as actions in their own right. You could trigger responses without locking out the "next action" opportunity from Blackwood.

another question related to lucas:

I understand the effect of this card as the possibility to start an additional challange when Lucas dies. However, we don't see the word "additional" in the text. Can we maje two military challanges with Lucas in the same round? or it is not an additional challange?

compare him with the text of Shadow Politics:

The Shadow of the South
The Shadow of the South Gold (s0) Shadows
[Martell Event]
Small Council.

House Martell only.
Response: After The Shadow of the South comes out of Shadows, choose an opponent. That opponent cannot play event cards during this phase. Then, if it is Summer, return The Shadow of the South to its owner's hand.

matamagos posted the wrong text:

Shadow Politics (s1)
[Neutral Event]
Small Council.
Response: After Shadow Politics comes out of Shadows, choose a player. That player may initiate an additional challenge against an opponent of his or her choice as a standard player action this phase.

matamagos said:

Hi guys,

Another question regarding Lucas Blackwood.

It does not say it can be used only in the Challenge phase. So If there is Valar morghulis, I can initiate a Military challenge in the plot phase?

If I can, what happens?

1. Initiate military challenge, declare attackers, other player can declare defenders, normal challenge resolution and then end of plot phase?

2. Initiate military challenge, declare attackers and the other player can not declare defenders, because like in the challenge phase, the procedure is:

player action; Framework: 1).Active player declares challenge type and opponent, 2). active player kneels attacking characters

But then there are player actions and after that as this is the plot phase, the attacked player does not have the opportunity to declare defenders as that is only possible in the challenge phase.

Unfortunately in this case the determination of the challenge is also not valid...

Anyway, in this case the Poisoned knife can still be useful on a character (eg. Knight of flowers) as he does not kneel to defend and the other player does not have gold yet, only maybe influence, so Poisoned knife effect resolves?

So how does this work?

Miklos said:

Miklos said:

Essentially, Blackwood's ability allows you to graft the timing sequence for a single challenge (with his controller as the attacking player) into whatever phase's Player Action window you choose. When you take your player action and say "I'm using the challenge now,": you follow through the game mechanics and timing for a challenge's full duration, and at the end of that duration, continue on with the Player Action Window as usual with the the player to your left.

So choice #1 is the correct way to go. Not every detail of timing is mapped out in the flowcharts, but that doesn't stop us from understanding what to do.

Miklos said:

Another question regarding Lucas: who's this guy anyway? I know from the wiki that he was in the wedding but, apart from "it is to be battle at dawn", does he have any other line of dialogue?

nikotina said:

I believe he was part of Catelyn's retinue when she rode to treat with Renly. I don't remember if he had a line or two then or not, though.

Saturnine said:

As an actual entity, he hasn't really been important in the books. His father is a prominent lord in the riverlands though.

ktom said:

This sets up some interesting options for SoW builds. Use Widow's Watch to dupe some other unique character (hopefully Robb, Blackfish, or other renown character) and marshall Lucas. If your opponent has no duped characters or opponent's dupes have no mil icons, then next turn play Valar and get a free uo mil challenge for 3 power. Of course, it's probably not a good idea against GJ who has lots of saves or Martell who can cancel your save on the dupe with He Calls it Thinking.