My question is about the BSG game without any expasion. If i'm playing with 2 another friends, i pick a Pilot, one pick a Political and the last pick Support. Who gonna be the admiral? I make the same question if none one pick a politcal leader....who gonna be the president?
Thx!
doimo said:
My question is about the BSG game without any expasion. If i'm playing with 2 another friends, i pick a Pilot, one pick a Political and the last pick Support. Who gonna be the admiral? I make the same question if none one pick a politcal leader....who gonna be the president?
Thx!
This is answered by the rulebook. There's a line of succession in the rulebook for both admirals and presidents on page 28, you follow that.
The admiral is, in a general sense, military leaders, then pilots, then Tyrol, then political leaders. President is more complicated and is based on the character's political acumen on the show (so Apollo and Bill Adama are high on the list.)
antherem said:
This is answered by the rulebook. There's a line of succession in the rulebook for both admirals and presidents on page 28, you follow that.
The admiral is, in a general sense, military leaders, then pilots, then Tyrol, then political leaders. President is more complicated and is based on the character's political acumen on the show (so Apollo and Bill Adama are high on the list.)
The 28 page talks about a case if the admiral or the president is a reveled cylon, what I wanted to know is if in the case i described above, i can use this tule to.
I'll ask another advantage. When the admiral is send to the Brgi, his lose his title. At all times that he is sent or only in case he is a reveled cylon?
The 28 page talks about a case if the admiral or the president is a reveled cylon, what I wanted to know is if in the case i described above, i can use this tule to.
This appears to be an unintended hole in the rules, as the game cannot function properly unless one of the players is the President and another is the Admiral. Barring any official word to the contrary it makes the most sense to use the line of succession to determine who gets each title in the event nobody picks a character from the short list.
If using Pegasus you should probably also make sure that Cain gets the admiral title at the start of the game if anyone picks her, even though she's not on the short list in the base rulebook's setup steps.
I'll ask another advantage. When the admiral is send to the Brgi, his lose his title. At all times that he is sent or only in case he is a reveled cylon?
Yes, any time he goes to the brig he loses the title. It's not normally possible to send a revealed cylon to the brig. AFAICT the only time this can happen is if you're using Pegasus and they are currently infiltrating. Even then I'm pretty sure they can't hold titles so it wouldn't be an admiral cylon you're sending there.
James McMurray said:
The 28 page talks about a case if the admiral or the president is a reveled cylon, what I wanted to know is if in the case i described above, i can use this tule to.
This appears to be an unintended hole in the rules, as the game cannot function properly unless one of the players is the President and another is the Admiral. Barring any official word to the contrary it makes the most sense to use the line of succession to determine who gets each title in the event nobody picks a character from the short list.
If using Pegasus you should probably also make sure that Cain gets the admiral title at the start of the game if anyone picks her, even though she's not on the short list in the base rulebook's setup steps.
I'll ask another advantage. When the admiral is send to the Brgi, his lose his title. At all times that he is sent or only in case he is a reveled cylon?
Yes, any time he goes to the brig he loses the title. It's not normally possible to send a revealed cylon to the brig. AFAICT the only time this can happen is if you're using Pegasus and they are currently infiltrating. Even then I'm pretty sure they can't hold titles so it wouldn't be an admiral cylon you're sending there.
...wow, you're right. How has nobody noticed that before? That said, only the most rules-lawyery interpretation would imply that you wouldn't assign an Admiral if neither Adama, Tigh, or Helo is in the game, or a President if neither Roslin, Zarek, or Baltar is in the game (since the game totally breaks down without the Admiral and President.) This is especially true when you add in expansions.
If you *really* want this clarified, you can use the Rules Questions link at the bottom of the page, but there's really no other possible interpretation.
With regards to the second question, Cylon Leaders and revealed Cylon players can never hold titles, and can never even be the target of cards which could potentially GIVE them titles (like Assign Vice President). Any time you brig the Admiral, he loses his title, the only way this would not happen is if all human players are in the Brig, the last guy who went in stays the Admiral until someone higher than him on the Line of Succession gets out of the Brig. And revealed Cylons can never be sent to the Brig, since they can't move to non-Cylon locations.
Note that sending someone to the Brig does not reveal their Cylon loyalty card, the player still has to take an action to do so.
antherem said:
Pretty sure that the rule is actually: If all human players are in the brig, whoever's highest in line of succession for admiral is admiral (regardless of who was the last admiral outside the brig). First person to get out of the brig them becomes admiral, regardless of line of succession.
Sheesh, good question.
Thankfully, this shouldn't happen too often. I agree with Kushiel's interpretation.
Kushiel said:
antherem said:
Pretty sure that the rule is actually: If all human players are in the brig, whoever's highest in line of succession for admiral is admiral (regardless of who was the last admiral outside the brig). First person to get out of the brig them becomes admiral, regardless of line of succession.
:embarassed: Guess we've played that wrong. In my defense, that's all the way on, like, page 2 of the FAQ, and who wants to read that far?
Seriously, if it gets to that point I don't think it really matters who the admiral is because the humans are screwed.
Depends - if Zarek is a human, humanity might still have a chance.
antherem said:
Heh.
Like Mr. McMurray said, though, I sorta doubt it made much difference in the end. It must be an awfully disheartening moment as admiral to get thrown into the brig and be greeted by your entire crew .
That could happen either with a cylon revealing and sending the last guy to the brig or with a fitting crisis (is there one?). Are there other ways?