Okay in the game that I am GMing for the pcs, the feral world psyker, keeps getting around 56 damage with fire bolt because of ther over bleed effect. So i had to nerf down fire bolt just because of how much damage he was doing. I put it so that it does a +5 damage for over bleed. Is this a good idea?

How is he getting around 56 damage from multiple hits regularly against targets with varying armour/toughness values ?

Lets take an average human, TB 3, no armour (a very weak foe):

- Average fire bolt does 10.5 damage.

- Subtract the TB and it's 7.5

- 56/7.5 = 7.5. Call that 8 bolts, which is 35 points of overbleed, meaning a total power roll 46.

Last psyker I ran had, just before ascension:

- +6 from WB

- +4 from power well and discipline focus

- Reduced cost of major powers by 5 due to discipline mastery, reducing the power roll to 41.

- As a scholar I had 6 dice to roll.

Even if I rolled all 6 of my dice (meaning a ~47% chance to trigger phenomena every time), I could only get that much overbleed less than half the time.

Are you remembering to subtract armour and toughness from each fire bolt ?

As for just dealing +5 damage, that would make fire bolt more powerful because it is a single large damage packet (armour and TB only apply once) instead of lots of smaller packets (armour and TB apply for each one).

What's his Psy Rating?

Yes i am subtracting toughness and armor from it. See he is the 4th or 5th rank psyker and I also supspect that some off the roll to see if he manifests it he rolls underneath his charecter sheet out of my view as well. He ahs a psy rating of three

If you suspect any funny business,require all rolls to be in open and no touching dice till you confirm the roll.

Brother-Captain Belfire said:

If he is at psy rating 4 or 5, you should be facing enemies that are at least armoured, which ups the number of bolts required. Could you give me an example of each step from when he declares the power to after you have applied all the damage to the target ?

I want to see what openings you have given him to cheat the numbers, so I can advise you on how to close them.

With a psy rating 4 or 5, he is rolling suspiciously well. How often does he trigger a phenomena ?

How often does he fail the WP test to hit the target ? (probably not that often, since he would have high WP)

When you get a chance, take a look at his sheet. I want to know his spent xp, willpower, psy rating, how many major pyro powers and how many times he has taken power well or discipline focus (both are talents). Also is he on the savant or scholar path ?

If he refuses to show his sheet, boot him from your game.

How is he rolling underneath his sheet ?

My first thought is that he is lifting it up for every roll. Which means he is intentionally hiding the rolls from you. On it's own that would be very suspicious, add in some unusual results and I would be making him roll where everyone can see.

Hmm i smell heresy afoot. Requisition his sheet and make him roll on the table. The other thing that MIGHT be the case is that he's using the push rules from ascension and is rolling at psy rating 6... I know that was happening in another thread.

Just my two thrones.

Hes not using acension rules(i dont have the book yet) nad he has a psyrating of 3. How often does he roll on the perils(i call both tables for 9 that) some times

Brother-Captain Belfire said:

Lets see:

- 15 WP base, since he is a feral worlder

- Lets be generous and say he rolled 20 for determining his characteristic. 35 willpower

- +3 willpower from divination. 38

- +3 from sanctioning. 43

- +20 from taking all characteristic advances*. 63

So that's 6 points on his power roll from his willpower bonus. Psy rating 3 is available at rank 4 on both paths, psy rating 4 is available at rank 5 for scholars, 6 for savants. Since his is only 3, I'm guessing his rank isn't high enough for psy rating 4, so that means he is at most rank 4 if scholar, 6 if savant. Meaning he has taken power well once at most. So 7 before the roll.

He can't have 10 major powers, so there goes discipline mastery. Also discipline focus isn't available to him yet.

With 3 dice, he can score at most 30 with them. Meaning his highest possible power roll is 37. If he spends a turn invoking before each cast (invoke is a full action), he gets another 6 to his roll, bringing it to 43. But for him to score a total of 56 damage on average against an average unarmoured human, he needs to get a power roll of 46.

Either he is cheating, or he is accidental using his full willpower instead of his willpower bonus on his power roll. Either way, you need to make him roll openly.

*Because your current willpower determines how many powers you get per psy rating, he would want to get it to at least 50 ASAP to get 3 powers per rating.

Yeah i think he is using his full will power. This is his current will power. wp 42

You allow players the honour system for rolling? Ballsy.

The games i run, all rolls (save mine as GM) are on the table or they don't count. The dice hit the floor, reroll.

Asgard4tw said:

honour system for rolling? what?

Brother-Captain Belfire said:

Then get him to stop. Since he is making mistakes like this, tell him that he needs to roll where everyone can see, just so other people can help make sure the mistake is caught before it's too late.

thanks. ill do that when we have our next game