We know, confusion Servant had was from two different paragraphs in the rulebook, one of which says each deck should have one Gandalf in it. For the 30 card starter decks.
Gandalf free for all?
Narsil0420 said:
And BeardFan was right, Gandalf is only 5 cost now!
Yea also Beardfan said that his respons has changed.You dont discard a minion but you deal 4 wounds.
Beardfan old Gandalf's text says tha you must discard Gandalf at the end of the turn.This counts for the new Gandalf card or they change that too?
Yes, the new Gandalf also has to be discarded at the end of turn. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact responses on Gandalf's card. It were 3 alternative responses. I think one was to lower threat of one player, one was to inflict damage, on was to draw cards.
Toqtamish said:
We know, confusion Servant had was from two different paragraphs in the rulebook, one of which says each deck should have one Gandalf in it. For the 30 card starter decks.
Yes, but there's also an info that You can built decks to max 50 cards for tournaments and stuff like that. So it looks like if You want to start playing fast out of the box You can use those 30 card sphere decks and after that You can custimise Your deck and make it a 30-50 cards. That's good, and now i know I need more sleeves.
Can't wait for the first time, when I open the box and start playing.
ffgfan said:
Toqtamish said:
We know, confusion Servant had was from two different paragraphs in the rulebook, one of which says each deck should have one Gandalf in it. For the 30 card starter decks.
Yes, but there's also an info that You can built decks to max 50 cards for tournaments and stuff like that. So it looks like if You want to start playing fast out of the box You can use those 30 card sphere decks and after that You can custimise Your deck and make it a 30-50 cards. That's good, and now i know I need more sleeves.
Can't wait for the first time, when I open the box and start playing.
FFG Fan, as I read it, it was minimum 50 card decks for regulation sized decks, rather than the 30-50 size decks. You're going to need even MORE sleeves than you thought =)
Most card games its best to stick to the minimum size for draw consistency. The bigger the deck, the harder to get the cards you want/need.
Toqtamish said:
Most card games its best to stick to the minimum size for draw consistency. The bigger the deck, the harder to get the cards you want/need.
I know that, but page 27 of the rule book says "A tournament deck must contain a minimum of 50 cards." Not maximum.
Never said it did or you didn't know that. Was just making a deck building tip.
Toqtamish said:
Most card games its best to stick to the minimum size for draw consistency. The bigger the deck, the harder to get the cards you want/need.
I know that, but page 27 of the rule book says "A tournament deck must contain a minimum of 50 cards." Not maximum.
Yea i think this is correct.For tournaments 50 cards is the minimum and not the maximum.
Minimum size decks are indeed better except if you have a way to draw a lot of cards per round (example:Moria orcs from LOTR tcg) then you can use a biger deck and use more cards that can help you for a more easy win.
Well, the best way to use Gandalf is with Sneak Attack of course. And I assume you can put him back in hand before he discards himself. A little combo-riffic, but pretty powerful considering his abilities. Hopefully there is something that lets you put back the Sneak Attack.
Wow. Gandalf plus Sneak Attack! What a combo. It looks like he does go back into hand at the end of the Phase, while Gandalf is discarded at the end of the turn. Now all I need to figure out is which phase to play him to get maximum effect: Quest, Encounter, Combat...
The Gandalf we have seen (the 6 point one, rather than the 5 point one in the actual finished set), discards at the end of the round. Sneak attack returns to play at the end of the phase. So, no worries about him discarding himself.
Throwing down a 4/4/4 is always going to be wonderful, but we may need to see some calirfication on tules terminology to tell if you the other benefits of playing Gandalf when you sneak attack.
And, of course, we won't really be able to tell until we see the new card (unless I missed something. Does anyone have an image of the 5 cost Gandolf?)
So, for people who play other LCGs, how often does FFG issue bans or errata on cards?
Just wondering if the Gandalf Sneak Attack might get done away with shortly after the game comes out...
For GoT they do it every few months when they release a new FAQ. I forsee Gandalf/Sneak Attack possibly having this done. I am sure they will keep an eye on that particular combo.
the point that is needed to be more clear is the "put in play" and "play from hand" phrases on the cards . if these phrases have the same meaning its a great combo . if not ( and from my experience they are different ) then bye bye combo.
micheni
True, that is a very good point. I didn't realize this with all the excitement. In mtg for sure it is not the same to play a card from and to put a card into play . The name of the card does say Sneak Attack, so it might really just be handy to have a quick Defender / Attacker for the phase, although we might not enjoy any other effects like Gandalf's when using this method.
DrNate said:
So, for people who play other LCGs, how often does FFG issue bans or errata on cards?
The current FAQ is version 1.3. We're going to see 1.4 before the next championship. There are currently three complete APs available for the game, the fourth is about half-complete.
I realy wanted Gandalf as a hero and the opportunity have him allways in the entire game but i can see now that Gandalf in this game acts exactly as he acts in the books.
Gandalf wasn't allways there for everybody.The free peoples must raise their strenght and fase shadow with what they have but wen defeate is near if you look at east Gandalf is there to save the day
(Helms Deep,Weathertop.Gondor,Mount Doom saves Frodo and Sam with the Eangles wen Frodo and Sam were sure that this was their end).
I like this, i like it a lot
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All assumptions about Sneak+Gandalf combo are based on preview version of Gandalf (with hat icon in right bottom corner).
Final Gandalf could have different wording.
micheni said:
the point that is needed to be more clear is the "put in play" and "play from hand" phrases on the cards . if these phrases have the same meaning its a great combo . if not ( and from my experience they are different ) then bye bye combo.
micheni
Well considering designers are same as AGoT its pretty easy to figure that out. Put into play is when card is put into play via a card effect or special ability of some kind. Play from hand would be when playing a card thru normal process, IE spending resources to play an ally etc.
It would be a major change if you couldn't use him w/ Sneak Attack. That was the main combo they demo'd at GenCon last year. It isn't that broken unless you can consistently get it from discard to hand (rather than deck where you have to draw it again). Pretty powerful though, being able to discard a huge enemy for 1 resource and two cards (plus Gandalf can play a round).
But, anything is possible - they changed the ruling on 'put into play' rules in aGoT at one point.
I dont think that they will change sneak/Gandalf combo.Watch introduction video again and you can see that Hill Troll is not a unique card.2 Trolls in staging area and only one player with 30 threat means 2 trolls on one player.With 6A and 4D i dont think any player can overcome this and his defeat is a sure think.
As Beardfan told in his post Gandalf's response has changed and he is does not remove a minion from the game now but he deals 4 wounds(Hill Troll has 9 life).So having Gandalf/sneak attack combo is not an i win situation but a chance to overcome such a threat.
That is certainly balanced. Four wounds is still strong, but not even close to discarding an enemy strong. Good change.
The fix to Gandalf was likely to decrease this combo's power and to avoid a banning. One of the good things about the long development of this game.
servant of the secret fire said:
I dont think that they will change sneak/Gandalf combo.Watch introduction video again and you can see that Hill Troll is not a unique card.2 Trolls in staging area and only one player with 30 threat means 2 trolls on one player.With 6A and 4D i dont think any player can overcome this and his defeat is a sure think.
As Beardfan told in his post Gandalf's response has changed and he is does not remove a minion from the game now but he deals 4 wounds(Hill Troll has 9 life).So having Gandalf/sneak attack combo is not an i win situation but a chance to overcome such a threat.
Hill Troll is not unique - it doesn't mean that you will have 3 copies of it in core set.
Right now everything is speculation.