hello all,

i would tell you about my last session game and ask what u think about its:

after a great SoB campaign gone on for 3 months, yesterday my group reach the final battle step. this is what happend:

My avatar was The Count. heroes' group was: Shiver with "koll's mark" and "quick casting" equipped with "star of kelllos" and "morning star" (5 attacks in a turn); Laurel with "lucky" and "born to the bow"; Glyr with "captain" and "defender"; thalia equipped with "longspear" and a lot of great skill to gain damges and free surges... a great party... but my avatar was very great too: complete build, all "dark strenght", all razorwings' upgrades, ecc...

avatar appeared: laurel had "whishing ring" in her bag (that i couldn't destroy with crushing blow), used its to search and get "black widow's web". GAME OVER. After i played 2 turns using some caution, dodge, ecc..., heroes placed themselves all adjacent and started to pass among them that weapon: i got 8 attack with that weapon each turn, putting 12/14 web token on me each turn (Laurel putted about 10 token alone). For my poor MELEE avatar was the end. After played maybe 4/5 turns in this way i gived up.

After 3 months passed to reach that moment, it was very disappointing. Maybe i wronged my strategy becouse i didn't destroy "whishing ring" when i could... but, if we hadn't WoD expansion and then hadn't "crushing blow"? How can a melee avatar, 1 vs 4, win against "balck widow's"?

Is it possible don't exist an exit strategy? Does exist some FaQ i don't know about web's limitations on bosses (as for the stun ability)?

I would like very much to know some opinion about this happening

thank you all

I had a similar situation with one of the RtL campaigns I was playing. The Avatar was the Titan, and when we finally got to him, we used the same weapon and essentially "turned him off"

The OL was really bumbed out after that. However, he was new to the OL seat, so he was not aware of all the tricks like crushing blow.

There should be an upgrade for all avatars that give it either Ironskin OR Unstoppable. Give them the choice, based on what the heroes have for weapons.

My avatar still had iroskin, cos he was a razorwing and i had razor's upgrades... iroskin doesn't stop web. I think the problem isn't iroskin or unstoppable...

I don't understand why "stun" can't work on bosses and "web" yes... Ok that "stun" is irrimediable and "web" is deletable instead... but the possibility of increasing webs token is overpowered, expecially against a melee mob: if i put a web token on a melee heroes he can roll up to 6 dice to try to keep off the token... if a heroes put a web token on a melee avatar i have to check with only 1 die... 33% successfull.

Why couldn't you destroy the wishing ring?

becouse i preferred destroy Glyr's amor +4 (heroes hadn't nay other heavy armor in their bag)... then in the last 2 floors i've never more draw crushing blow.

But... sincerly... i don't think it's the problem. I keep saying... if i haven't WoD expansion? The problem is web on melee. Sincerly... i think... as for stun there is a difference between effects upon normal mobs and bosses... should be exist the same difference for the web ability

a titan could roll 4 black dice:

RTL-rulebook, p.31:

Monsters caught in a web remove tokens the same way, except
that they roll one black power die for each web token, plus one
extra black power die for each space they occupy beyond the first.

an does an avatar count as monster? i would say no...

The avatar must be a monster. If he's not, the game falls apart. First and foremost: the overlord cannot activate him, as he only activates "monsters" in step 3 of his turn.

zarikaz said:

First of all, congratulations to your heroes for winning a SoB campaign - that's very rare!

Then... You could have destroyed the Wishing Ring and didn't do so... A mistake.

However, the idea that avatars should be able to get both Ironskin and Unstoppable as upgrades so that they cannot be killed by a single weapon's effect is a sound one. It would probably be good for the game if they were included in the generic avatar upgrades (maybe instead of that useless - at least in SoB - Toughened!).