New to the game. Couple Questions. 1. define character. Lannister's have Shae and brothel to kneel characters. Would 'character' include army or creature? 2.Ghost and Jon Snow are immune to events. Does that include the rules text on the plot cards as well. 3. Core rules say an attacker with strength less than 1 cannot win. Can that player attack at all and if so, can he win undefended bonus. 4. Winter is coming- ' raise claim by one for duration of challenge'. Or bones of a child- lower claim by 1 for duration .Is duration all 3 challenges i may use in my challenge phase or just 1 of the 3(military or power or intrigue)?

snaggrriss said:

Check out pages 4-6 of the Core Set Rules http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/agotlcg/support/CoresetRules.pdf

1. Character cards are easily identifiable by the grey shield found half way up the left-hand side of the card. The number inside of the shield is that charcter's stregnth. Only "Caracter" cards have this.

2. Events cards have crows running down the left-hand sife of the card. Plots are not events so no, Ghost and Jon Snow are not immune to plots.

3. You can attack with 0 strenght, but you cannot win the challenge with it. If you cannot win the challenge, you do not win the unopposed bonus.

4. It is the duration of the challenge that is currently taking place, whatever type of challenge that might be, but only for the duration of that one challenge.

Just to clarify one more time about army trait. I was reading expansion reviews in Card DB and found this; "Army trait provides some protection that army characters don't have most notably with Lannister kneel effects(In our games it made sense to everyone- how do you kneel an army- so army was exempt from kneel effects)Could play with training ground to have non kneeling armies." Was the author saying- this is how you get around kneeling effects by playing training grounds with army characters or are army characters indeed immune to the lannisters kneel effects? [ i know what the forums say about traits but i had some doubts about army trait when i came across the article]-thank you.

The author of the article at cardgamedb.com has made a mistake. Darksbane should have proofread the article more carefully.

"Character" always refers to a character card. Characters with the Army trait are still characters. The trait does not protect you from anything, unless a card effect specifically says so. Traits have no meaning by themselves.

Training Grounds also does not provide protection against a kneel effect. With Training Grounds your characters with the Army trait do not kneel to attack during military challenges. But a knelt army still can't be declared as an attacker.

I think what the author meant was that since you don't have to kneel your army to attack during a military challenge, it can't be knelt by the Lannister location Lannisport Brothel. That is the only way in which Training Grounds in combination with the Army trait helps against a Lannister kneel effect, but it does not protect your armies from kneel effects in general.

That article is very misleading.

Saturnine said:

Sorry Saturnine, but you're wrong there. The article is both correct and clear. You and snag are reading it wrong, I'm afraid.

The passage in question consists of two sentences.:"Army trait provides some protection that non-army characters don’t have, most notably with Lannister kneel effects."

What he means is that there are several negative effects that only target non-Army characters, and that many of those are Lanni Kneel effects.. Cf. Scorched Earth, King Joffrey's Guard, KL Cersei, KL Jaime and others. One hundred percent correct.

The second sentence is not connected to the first. It just mentions another advantage of Army characters that is unrelated to the advantage referred to in the first sentence: "Could play with Training Ground to have non-kneeling armies." It just means that your Army characters don't kneel to attack during MIL challenges while you control Training Grounds. Again, one hundred percent correct.

The article might be a tad brief, especially as it's directed at noobs, but it is in no way incorrect.

Ah, yes. Thanks for that carification, Ratatoskr. That makes a lot more sense.

However, to speak of "protection" is still a rather unfortunate choice of word in this context, in my opinion. If anything provides protection, it's the kneel effects that exclude army characters.

Point being, a trait doesn't provide any "protection" from anything. And, in fact, the trait itself is meaningless in the absence of a particular card effect.

The article is correct in that many kneel effects do say "choose and kneel a non-Army character," and thus, the Army trait can be a positive thing against heavy kneeling decks - depending on the kneel effects chosen by the opponent.

But note that snaggrriss implies he and his group read the article and came to the conclusion "Army characters are exempt from all kneeling effects." That conclusion is very much incorrect. The Army trait offers no "protection" from a generic "choose and kneel a character" effect.

Taken out of context, the line "Army trait provides some protection that non-army characters don’t have, most notably with Lannister kneel effects" is, indeed, misleading because it implies that the trait on the character, not the wording of the kneel effect, is the driving part of the interaction. But Rat says the clarifying context is in the article, so it's not a big deal in the long run.