Imposter Clarification

By branagan3, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

"Any Phase: Kneel 1 influence to give attached character the House affiliation of your choice until the end of the phase."

So my question is when i kneel the influence and choose an affiliation of my choice does this new affiliation replace the previous one or simply co-exist with it? On first thought it seems like it would just be in addition but the reason I bothered to post was due to the phrase "the House affiliation". If I had written this with the intent of simply adding another affiliation I would have written "a House affiliation". I am probaly reading to much into this but just thought I would go to the experts.

This came up as I was pondering on any possible uses for Imposter because it seems like a pretty worthless card.

Thanks

I don't see any reason that it would replace the current House affiliation; it doesn't state attached character loses its printed House affiliation.
I don't really get the card either though... it kind of works with Dubious Loyalties and Reek but it seems like a really weak card and a waste of deck space. Maybe there's a really obvious combo I'm missing, does anyone have any insight about this card?

branagan3 said:

On first thought it seems like it would just be in addition but the reason I bothered to post was due to the phrase "the House affiliation". If I had written this with the intent of simply adding another affiliation I would have written "a House affiliation". I am probaly reading to much into this ...

The character would have multiple House affiliations once this effect is activated. Think of Ser Arys Oakheart, Brienne of Tarth, and other characters with more than one printed House affiliation, or the Kingdom locations like Bay of Ice. Once Imposter is activated, the attached character would act like those cards which already have multiple House affiliations.

branagan3 said:

This came up as I was pondering on any possible uses for Imposter because it seems like a pretty worthless card.

- Want to play some neutrals in a Bear Island deck? Put Imposter on the Neutrals and make them Stark before using Bear Island.

- Want to have some additional options for pumping Shaggydog in a Stark treaty deck? Put Imposter on any Lord character.

- Opens up some possibilities with things like Treacherous Watchman, Winterfell Castle and other things that affect characters with a particular House affiliation.

- Could potentially be fun with things that use characters with a particular House affiliation as part of the cost, like To Be a Wolf.

All sorts of little things like this. Probably not a "do or die" kind of card, but enables some fun possibilities if you look for them.

The most interesting combo I could find is with Lost Oasis.

BTW I remember our discussion with Ten Towers and I wonder if I get +1 STR or +5 for Bay of Ice?

Rogue30 said:

BTW I remember our discussion with Ten Towers and I wonder if I get +1 STR or +5 for Bay of Ice?

Anyone?

Rogue30 said:

Rogue30 said:

BTW I remember our discussion with Ten Towers and I wonder if I get +1 STR or +5 for Bay of Ice?

Anyone?

Imposter clearly says "Attached character gets +1 STR for every House affiliation other (Stark) than among the cards you control." How many House Affiliations does Bay of Ice have? 6, right? And 5 of them are not Stark. So the character gets +5 STR. If it didn't work this way, it would be pointless to put this on a Stark card because that Stark card would always be "Stark" in addition to whatever other affiliation you gave it.

The difference from Ten Towers is that Ten Towers is asking about "Greyjoy cards," not "Greyjoy affiliations." When looking at Bay of Ice, with it's 6 affiliations, it counts as a Stark card, a Lannister card, a Greyjoy card, etc., and as a "card," you really only look at it once. But when you are looking at "affiliations," you can have more than one.

Imagine a card that says "Attached character gets +1 STR for every icon other than (Military) it has" is attached to a tricon. Does it get +1 or +2? +2, because you are looking at icon identity, not just the presence or absence of non-military icons. Same deal with Imposter. It is looking at affiliation identity, not just the presence or absence of a Greyjoy affiliation (as Ten Tower does).

If Imposter said "...gets +1 STR for every non-Stark card you control," then you would get +0 for Bay of Ice.

ktom said:

Sorry. I thought this was rhetorical.

I was wrong with Ten Towers, so it's better to ask. Thanks.

One more to be sure: 2 copies of Bay of Ice, still +5, not +10, right?

Rogue30 said:

One more to be sure: 2 copies of Bay of Ice, still +5, not +10, right?

Imposter + MWNK + recycle = a sad panda

And it works in a neutral heavy environment.

Mathias Fricot said:

Imposter + MWNK + recycle = a sad panda

And it works in a neutral heavy environment.

Since Imposter doesn't replace the House affiliation of a character it doesn't do anything for MWNK.

The Ten Towers thing, right.