Hi, this a kind of petition about the missed cards (misprintes also). If You take time to read it and agre with me then please sign under.

Dear FFG,

we as the fans of WFRP 3ed setting we would like to have a question/request.

Becouse there are some missed cards (or misprinted cards) in the Vaults we would like to ask is there a chance that we could recieve those cards as a free bonus to the nearest product from the WFRP 3ed line? This could be Omens of War or any other.

Please give us a anwser,

your sincerely

WFRP 3ed fans

Well, first off, if you expect FFG to listen to you and correct their editing woes then you should be conscious of your own glaring problem in the same category. You may not be a native speaker of the English language but that is little excuse to present such a poorly worded, most likely rushed, petition. If you are serious about trying to have something done about this issue then you need to organize. And for god-sakes man you have to have someone else write it for you.

You can't expect to have editing problems fixed if you can't be bothered to edit yourself. That's just contradictory and ignorant.

That being said I have to agree with your concern about FFG's obvious poor quality when it comes to editing. The producers would be wise to listen to the voices of a community that purchases their games and therefor helps to keep them in business. I've enclosed a quote from another post that addresses this concern more clearly.

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I am relatively new to Fantasy Flight's games the standards of which I'm mostly impressed by. The quality is not lacking in art, durability or components, but what sorely is lacking are editors and proof readers. I'm very surprised that this issue has not been of paramount concern and subsequently dealt with in a concise manner by the producers at FFG. A few grammatical errors and spelling mistakes are fine when present in a rulebook. That I can deal with with hardly a second thought because it's easy to errata a rulebook. However, when a game is structured around the rules being on cards as is the case with WHFRP 3e and these cards are muddled and/or "broken", then serious problems begin to arise. It is not fair, to those of us who spend our hard earned money supporting this company, to be expected to print out errata for the cards. This is something that should be supplied by those at fault AKA the publishers. I have the mindset that anything written that is worth time and money should be thoroughly proof read. This doesn't take much just some extra time and wage spending. I'm a competent editor and have been working at if for years, writing my own material and editing it. I never share a piece of my work unless it has been tediously proof read to make sure that the product is of the highest standard. And believe me I don't often see any coin for my work. However due to my lack of "credentials" it would be very unlikely that FFG would hire me on as an editor/proof reader, which is a job position that they desperately need to reassess and re-populate. But herein lies a systems problem with the way the world "works", one that can be discussed elsewhere at length.

What I'm trying to say is that nobody expects every word in every rulebook to be perfectly spelled and presented in its correct grammatical format. However, if as a company you are being supported by a community who is willing to spend what little money they have on your products (which are by no means cheap), then you should do everything possible to make sure that key components are not fuzzy, unclear, or just plain incorrect. I realize that with a system like WHFRP 3e, which uses SO many cards, that it is extremely difficult to make sure that each one is 100% perfect; however, it seems a funny thing when a glaring issue such as editing deficiency continues to be a massive problem. I was at first quite put off when I realized that several of my Core Set cards had missed the quality control inspector's eye, but I figured that this issue would be scrutinized and dealt with. I found it funny when I counted close to 40 spelling and grammatical errors in my Core Books, but thought that the quality would improve as the game developed further. I'm now glad that I decided to go the Core Set route because it seems that the errors are worse in the Guides and Vaults. (The Creatures Vault is amazing even if a few of the cards are broken ). It seems to me that when given a choice between waiting an extra month or two for a quality product with all its parts intact and correct, or getting a partially broken game that will have to be updated, the players will always choose the first option. And those who whine no matter what are useless anyway.

Please FFG I know that you guys listen because you have responded to my emails and many issues on the forums have been addressed. I'll continue to support you guys if you are willing to do EVERYTHING in you're considerable power to fix these little pox marks on an otherwise impeccable game. Its not fair for the community to receive broken models from GW and therefore neither is it fair to receive a broken rules system from the fantastic team down at FFG.

I'm looking forward to how you address this, oh and for Omens of War and Black Fire Pass even if they have a bit of Nurgle's Rot

(no offense is intended by this post)

The Strolling Bones said:

For no offense to be intended by your post, you sure start off in a nice and friendly manner.
In my experience, such a longwinded text is going to work against itself. A lot of people will simply stop reading halfway through, if they even start.

1) customers are customers. They can get away with what you perceive to be the mutilation & **** of English language.

2) what the OP is suggesting, is a simple fix of previous omitted reprints. What you're suggesting is telling FFG that their internal structure and testing department needs to be reorganised because they're no good at their job....

Even with your little (no offense is intended by this post) which request do you think will be met with the most goodwill by either side?

The Strolling Bones said:

That's a bit unfair dude. For starters, I suspect he's not a professional writer. Second, no-one is paying for his post. Not to mention, as you say, English might not be his native language. We're we being charged $15 for him to represent us in this way, sure, be miffed. Besides, poor spellers, dyslexics, or those simply in a rush and so make a lot of typos can be as annoyed at not having corrected cards as those who never make any errors.

I completely agree with the sentiment and /sign it here and now.

1st - this post was written in a rush

2nd - English isn't my native language

3rd - I think that a short, concrete post is a lot better then a long one. Not everyone has time to read it and not everyone will want to read too much of this text when it can be said in one simple sentence

4th - we all are customers. We are not getting any of this games for free. We are buying then and those are not cheap. So I think that we deserve a honest answer if we are going to get those card if future products.

5th - I want to help FFG becouse I love this game. I want just a little fix to the game I love to play and draw FFG attention to those small mistakes that can be easily repaired and in the future eliminated. So the game would be even better.

Last year the same thing was with the Double Strike, Rapid Fire and Aqsha Talent cards. First they were published as free pdf's and then FFG said that an updated version of those will be added to future products. So maybe this time it will be the same. I just would like to know a official answer for that.

i fully support it!

FYI, FFG has stated that this forum is not meant to contact them. If you really want them to get the message, you should send an email to customer service.

If you just want to vent, then carry on.

I support the sentiment and expect FFG will likely do this in any event. They have been good on this sort of stuff in the past in other lines (e.g., Arkham Horror game including revised cards in later supplements for core set goofs).

I support this.

I'd love to have the corrected cards instead of having to print my own from the errata page since my printed cards won't have the same quality or color as the real deal. It should be an easy fix, I don't understand why FFG have not done it allready.

Fully support.

FFG's quality standards are not as good as it has always been with this WFRP3 Guide/Vault collection, that's a fact. It's because the "clarification" aspect of it was its main interest. The Corebox it still much more economically interesting for customers.

I have never seen such a support service anywhere, I really believe they will hear to that.

fully support.

and i dont care if it is in broken english or japanese. i want to have proper cards with understandable rules for the money I have paid

First of all I'm not miffed in the slightest, I just think its unfair to expect something to get accomplished when you can't even take the time to proof read yourself. I agree fully with what ffgfan is attempting to say and support this "petition"; however you wont get anything done if its in a rushed and childish fashion. I believe that we as the consumer base should have a voice and should be treated fairly and am prepared to help try and get this issue fixed.

As for what Nisses said about Ffgfan only wanting the old, bad cards to be replaced is not what I read from Ffgfan's original post on another thread. You see this falls short of helping fix the problem in the first place. Sure they can replace all the cards you want, but if they don't fix the root of the problem, then there will always be somebody writing up a petition to have the newly released cards reprinted because the base line problem was not addressed. Teach a man to fish!

Its not my fault that most of the average forum dwellers are not prepared to read two paragraphs, but I'll guarantee that any company executive who is in charge of looking into these issues will take that time. And that is the point right? We are trying to fix an ongoing problem, correct?

No offense was intended however upon reading my post again (I posted at something like 4 am here) I realize how it could have been misinterpreted. This form of communication is lacking as subtle inflections of voice and mannerism are lost, and interpretation is fully up to the readers mindset. I find it funny that he can take the time to obviously proof read and spell check his reply to my post, however he can't do the same when trying to solicit the company for change.

That being said I fully apologize to Ffgfan directly, "sorry man I truly was trying to help out".

I hope that any perceived insult is banished now.

Sausageman said:

Its called the edit button man. Click it spend a bit of time and, Wallah! you're statement is cleared up!

I also never said that he wasn't allowed to be annoyed, in fact if you read my post you would realize that I agree with him.

The Strolling Bones said:

At least FFG do not randomly and personally insult us in their writing, so thanks for giving us an example to clarify that

Well I agree with Doc and this is probably not the best way to get FF to respond by posting it too their forums since it's not a contact method. We should probably do this off site and have the petition sent directly to FF instead but that's just my take on this. I really would like the cards that need a errata corrected and printed to FF quality and not a self printing PDF since frankly I bought and paid for a usable card and not a print-out!

Anyway I agree with this petition...

Strolling idiot shut up. You are spoiling a perfectly good petition.

I agree, FFG give us the free cards you know its only right.

badgertheking said:

You are truly a weak minded person if thats the best insult you can come up with. I'm no idiot and your post was probably the only insult on this whole thread, Ffgfan knows that I'm not attacking him and that I support this petition. Your needless blathering tripe is far more distracting from the proposed goal of this thread then mine, so I am perfectly in my right to say that it is you that should shut up. Go act tough elsewhere man for you'd never have the balls to say that to my face.

Who let the teens in here.

Lets carry on with the debate and petition. Since no one else care about your pointless personal argument you might as well take it to a private conversation instead of littering this thread with it.

I support the petition.

Strolling:

I apologise for calling you out on it too, maybe my toes were a little sore from other stuff at the time

In each case, I do support the petition

The Strolling Bones said:

For some reason, the 'edit' button didn't appear, so I couldn't change a thing.

Oh, and it's 'voilà' - it's French.

Annoying to be corrected, eh?

Doc, the Weasel said:

Already did this - was told they do not play to provide errata'd cards, as they have provided high rez pdfs for us to print and play.

My worry is that they consider the matter closed now the vaults are out - we could say we want them released in a future expansion, and FFG could say they have done this already... (in the Players Vault)

I support the idea of the cards delivered in a future expansion , it is just unjust that they dont provide corrected material. A pdf is not fair, the cards are the main thing here

Thanks again for you idea FFGFAN, I think the message is now known by WFRP3 designers because we know they read the forums.

****, I hope we french guys won't again look like egotic dudes to our american bros. I don't intend to give lesson or to be aggressive to anybody. I do my best to write in a regular english language, but I really understand it better than I speak it.

Let's all close those no so cool posts and shout together, like JFK did back then : Ich bin ein roleplayer (or something like that)

Sausageman said:

I didnt think that you needed to edit anything Sausageman, that was directed at the original thread post, I was just showing that mistakes can be fixed. But this is stupid I'm an adult that voiced an opinion and people jumped down my throat. I also never understood why when people have a disagreement, others feel the need to call them Teenagers. Adults have arguments too. I admitted fault for being a little to aggressive or using poor word choice in my first reply, and due to the lack of inflection with this form of communication that reply read poorly. I've cleared up any perceived insult with Ffgfan and there is no problem. I feel that we should have moved on many posts ago but I will not be told to shut up by somebody when they more than likely do not know where I'm coming from.

This is something that I believe FFG will do for the community but Doc is correct in saying that an official petition should be written up and sent through the customer service email channels. This thread is here to get the communities opinion and support.

For the umpteenth time I SUPPORT THE PETITION.

The Strolling Bones said:

Let this be the last that's said about it