I am a huge fan. I bought every product. I play a lot other games from FFG... and I am so disappointed by this amount of errors errated on the FAQ. FFG's standards of quality are usually far far better than that. These pieces of guides and vaults cost A LOT of money.

I have to say that the guides and vault options were quite difficult to explain compared to the corebox. Now we may say the corebox is fine and regular, while the guides and vaults contains many more error.

Quoted for truth.

FFG - I'm a huge fan and not providing corrected replacement parts is unacceptable, for whatever that's worth.

willmanx said:

Indeed! And still nothing on how to REALLY use the cards in the creature vault properly...

absolutely disappointing...

this is terrible...each entry that i saw for all these products wtih 'updates' was painful...

makes me reconsider WHFRP just becuase i hate knowing i have a bunhc of cards with wrong information on them...

Unfortunately they need an errata for their errata ... page 8 contradicts page 5 about party talents.

Yeah it's horrible. It's really a joke when they write in the faq that: "The First Aid rules described on page 88 are an exception to the
Healing Limitations described on page 89."

That's just taking the piss to be honest. Those first aid rules are so messed up and when reading it you'll have more questions than answers. The faq doesn't clear up much. So first aid can be given more than once durring encounters. What about spells how do they work in encounters?

It's incredible how they can take the core rules, clarify them and make more errors than in the original books. Plus all those errors on the cards. I don't want this faq at the table, having to check it when using cards. It defeats the purpose of cards in the first place.

FFG better give us some replacements for all those cards with errors in the next supplement.

THIS STINKS... THIS IS TOTAL BS... Oh here my publish button is.

There are two things that I don't like:

one - the list of mistakes from all G&V products is a proof that those products that should be an errata were one Big Mistake and should never come up.

two - those missed cards from Creature Vault should be printed and added for free to the nearest expansion for this game. If I would want to print them by myself I woudn't buy Creatures Vault.

I think that many of You will agre with me.
THIS IS ONE BIG DISAPPOINTMENT AND THE LIST OF MISTAKES IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

PS. If all this will go on by the end of this year we will get THE BIG BOOK OF FAQ AND ERRATA GUIDE FOR WFRP 3ED!

While im very pleased to have an Errata finally, what i was really hoping for is totally not there.. They still have half of the creature traits from the creature cards in the vault missing from the vault itself.. So im still clueless to what things like dead calm, or dead earnest do??!! At least my guide will finally get here on friday (fingers crossed) but its stupid to not have that information within the vault when they are printed on the cards!!

Crimsonsun

Funny how they provide fixed pdf version of 2 cards of the vault but not for the 7 other broken cards. Also, the creature guide is such a waste of paper/money now, I'm ashamed of having spent 20$ on it. But hey! At least I didn't get the player guide...

...I still love WFRP and I hope they fix their game up with the next releases....

ffgfan said:

Hey, they could make a Guide/Vault out of this...

Yeah. And we're all looking forward to the errata for this guide/vault. ;-)

I generally agree that a great rules system and setting is being weighed down by poor editing and quality control. FFG has a good policy following up on such issues with support and that shouldn't count against them, nor should it excuse the baseline problems.

Rob

If after these heartfelt messages, they decided to respond positively to our expectations, then we can actually confirm the good willingness of FFG

This is what I've come to refer to as the "FFG beaten wife syndrome".

It's kind of a ritual every time FFG publishes a hardcover. The Rogue Trader or Deathwatch core rulebooks. The scenario books for Tide of Iron and Descent. Ascension. You name it.

Guys, don't waste your breath on yet another thread on FFG's editing standards and their callous disregard for the customer. FFG do not care. They have never cared, and they will never improve. Vote with your wallett.

And be glad you got the first printing. Chances are, later printings will introduce new errors. (I'm serious.)

Well this has been a huge complaint since I started buying FF products.. sloppy editing. If they don't fix this properly and by proper I don't mean a "High Quality PDF" Bull St.. they risk losing customer good will (read mine to be specific) Really we should get what we pay for and frankly patience grows thin when they screw this crap up on every major release. I mean really, can't FF get a decent editor and proof reader? Whoever does it now should be fired pronto! seriously.. I love the product and the ideas but these mistakes are just plain lazy and sloppy.

I just made a petition to FFG about those missed/misprinted cards please take time to read it and if You agre with me sign under.

I am relatively new to Fantasy Flight's games the standards of which I'm mostly impressed by. The quality is not lacking in art, durability or components, but what sorely is lacking are editors and proof readers. I'm very surprised that this issue has not been of paramount concern and subsequently dealt with in a concise manner by the producers at FFG. A few grammatical errors and spelling mistakes are fine when present in a rulebook. That I can deal with with hardly a second thought because it's easy to errata a rulebook. However, when a game is structured around the rules being on cards- as is the case with WHFRP 3e- and these cards are muddled and/or "broken", then serious problems begin to arise. It is not fair, to those of us who spend our hard earned money supporting this company, to be expected to print out errata for the cards. This is something that should be supplied by those at fault AKA the publishers. I have the mindset that anything written that is worth time and money should be thoroughly proof read. This doesn't take much just some extra time and wage spending. I'm a competent editor and have been working at if for years, writing my own material and editing it. I never share a piece of my work unless it has been tediously proof read to make sure that the product is of the highest standard. And believe me I don't often see any coin for my work. However due to my lack of "credentials" it would be very unlikely that FFG would hire me on as an editor/proof reader, which is a job position that they desperately need to reassess and re-populate. But herein lies a systems problem with the way the world "works", one that can be discussed elsewhere at length.

What I'm trying to say is that nobody expects every word in every rulebook to be perfectly spelled and presented in its correct grammatical format. However, if as a company you are being supported by a community who is willing to spend what little money they have on your products (which are by no means cheap), then you should do everything possible to make sure that key components are not fuzzy, unclear, or just plain incorrect. I realize that with a system like WHFRP 3e, which uses SO many cards, that it is extremely difficult to make sure that each one is 100% perfect; however, it seems a funny thing when a glaring issue such as editing deficiency continues to be a massive problem. I was at first quite put off when I realized that several of my Core Set cards had missed the quality control inspector's eye, but I figured that this issue would be scrutinized and dealt with. I found it funny when I counted close to 40 spelling and grammatical errors in my Core Books, but thought that the quality would improve as the game developed further. I'm now glad that I decided to go the Core Set route because it seems that the errors are worse in the Guides and Vaults. (The Creatures Vault is amazing even if a few of the cards are broken ). It seems to me that when given a choice between waiting an extra month for a quality product with all its parts intact and correct, or getting a partially broken game that will have to be updated, the players will always choose the first option. And those who whine no matter what are useless anyway.

Please FFG I know that you guys listen because you have responded to my emails and many issues on the forums have been addressed. I'll continue to support you guys if you are willing to do EVERYTHING in you're considerable power to fix these little pox marks on an otherwise impeccable game. Its not fair for the community to receive broken models from GW and therefore neither is it fair to receive a broken rules system from the fantastic team down at FFG.

I'm looking forward to how you address this, oh and for Omens of War and Black Fire Pass even if they have a bit of Nurgle's Rot

(no offense is intended by this post)

The Strolling Bones said:

Then you may benefit by getting a historic perspective on this issue: www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp

Many more threads on that particular rulebook. Professional proofreaders who offered to work for FFG for free, and on record for offering that to FFG, in those threads. All turned away because FFG alleges "we got a professional proofreader, thanks".

That's why I call it the "beaten wife syndrom". Creatures Anathema (Dark Heresy) was a huge insult, and customers were promised better. Than Rogue Trader hit - even more offensive. Again, promises for future improvements. Then Ascension (Dark Heresy) hit, and that was just as insulting. Then Deathwatch (check out the reviews), and now Warhammer 3rd revamped.

FFG believes - rightly - that they can get away with this, because they capitalize on shiny, pretty components and stunning artwork, and their fans have swallowed it up for years. Don't get me wrong, FFG have good customer service in the boardgame department, but their editing track record in RPGs is one continuous trainwreck.

Well to be honest I don't think the rules are "broken" simply that some of the cards are misprinted, which annoys me more than book errata because we are paying a very high premium for the component stuff, books I just print an errata for and I'm done with it.. never bought a RPG book that did not require some errata but the cards.. the cards... they must do a better job.. as for a petition I'm in for that!

uh guys you are merciless in butchering the company for their inadequate use of proof-reading. But I agree that when it comes to cards its important to be precise and accurate.

maybe I'm blessed that english is just my second language, and that I miss most typos that otherwise you english speaking people would see. I quess ignorance is a blessing afterall.

kidding aside, I think it's bad that so many complaints about FFGs typos, and I hope they will adress it in the future. Still its worth purchasing I think. all of their warhammer products.

good gaming and blessed be thy ignorance.

Maybe there's already a line of updated versions coming up - the clarified, clarified Players Guide etc.

Like I've reflected in the house rules I've posted, the core mechanic around dice and skill checks is not consistent throughout the game. First Aid, Long term care etc are a prime example of this. Also. combat as "opposed checks" is more theory than a working practice.

I don't like this "a book or cards - you're choice" approach as it seems to affect the quality of WHFRP releases. The core packaging was innovative and should not be reverted to "just another role playing game with new fancy dice".

stanmons said:

yes, for 49.95 euros, hard cover.

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Mal Reynolds said:

Ok, I bought the Core set for $99... than I buy the updated streamlined, "errata corrected" Players and GM Guide which include NO NEW MATERIAL (I was fine with this and wanted the set in hard cover anyway ) total cost $90 as well as picking up the creature guide and vault for $70, l I have paid a grand total of $160 US on the new releases and the game line is still marred by glaring errors.. So what am I expected to pay another $100 dollars for them to correct the mistakes of the last releases? after already doing so once? Personally I'm not being rude or unreasonable here in requesting that the cards be fixed with the errata and sent to people who request them. This is called good customer service and for the premium FF charges for it's product I DO expect a finished product that is over and above the typical indie RPG line. They usually deliver in terms of components but what good is a shiny component when the rules make them so much cardboard trash? So merciless perhaps but really we payed for an update, an errata and high quality *like FF likes to say as a selling point" what we received was more errata and junked components so really they should address this and I don't feel these complaints are either uncalled for or overly harsh.. simply stating the facts as they are!

Windjammer said:

I have the Rogue Trader Rulebook and have laughed ceaselessly at some of the obvious mistakes contained therein. This book was given to me by a friend and is what got me interested in FFG (the art and general production value were amazing). I'm not as concerned about Rulebooks being misprinted and incorrect because errata is easy to use for this format. But its just ridiculous when components, which are integral to the game play (as is the case with WHFRP 3e), are chalked full of errors, and mechanical errors to boot. I believe that this has the makings of DOOM for WHFRP 3e if not addressed correctly. People are starting to really get irked about the mounting list of mistakes. I love WHFRP 3e and would hate for that to happen, however I simply cannot justify buying the Players Guide and GM's Guide if they are still riddled with errors. Maybe once they reprint them with updated and correct information.

If you are really interested in this issue, we should try and make a splash, ffgfan started the makings of a petition and we should all head over there and have our "voices" heard.

Windjammer said:

HA HA HA! This is priceless.

Insulting?!?! Petitions????

WOW. The problems of people in 1st world countries. "MY DISPOSABLE INCOME IS WASTED ON THIS ENTERTAINMENT VENUE BECAUSE IT HAS IMPERFECT EDITING".

Imagine: in some alternate universe you were born in Darfur and watched your parents get murdered in front of your eyes.

Holy GOD take a big breath and go outside for some fresh air. You are all WAAAAYYYY too angry about this hobby.